deanb Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I think XII's ADB was the best "real-time" solution they've had so far, while still have the tactics of turn-based. I like playing JRPGs cos you get the tactics of various moves, but once you head towards the action RPG side of things it becomes more about rolling about and button mashing-ness. Which is fine, but it has its place and its place is not in FF imo. X was really nice with the CTB, no pressure at all in what you chose, and great if you needed to take a break. Obviously people need more exciting games these days that seemingly no other game can fulfil :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) On 9/18/2014 at 9:45 PM, Deanb said: once you head towards the action RPG side of things it becomes more about rolling about and button mashing-ness. Which is fine, but it has its place and its place is not in FF imo. Agreed. At the very least not in a mainline entry, yeah. I would be fine with an action-RPG spin-off like Versus XIII originally was. But now that it's become FFXV I kinda hope they reworked it to be turn-based in some way. Wouldn't feel right otherwise. Edited September 18, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) On 9/18/2014 at 9:21 PM, FLD said: Wasn't Versus XIII initially supposed to be some kind of action-RPG similar to Kingdom Hearts, though? That was/is the plan. On 9/18/2014 at 9:45 PM, Deanb said: I think XII's ADB was the best "real-time" solution they've had so far, while still have the tactics of turn-based. I like playing JRPGs cos you get the tactics of various moves, but once you head towards the action RPG side of things it becomes more about rolling about and button mashing-ness. Which is fine, but it has its place and its place is not in FF imo. X was really nice with the CTB, no pressure at all in what you chose, and great if you needed to take a break. Obviously people need more exciting games these days that seemingly no other game can fulfil :/ XII's ADB is fantastic but yeah, it seems like we'll be getting a Kingdom Hearts battle system offshoot. I'm still in the camp that if Final Fantasy's battle system evolved to anything, it would be what Kingdom Hearts did. While it's not turn-based and it is more frantic, it had real-time spells and summons. In ways it reminds me of Brave Fencer Musashi (I wouldn't be surprised if Square got experience from making BFM). Note, I'm not saying it will feel right... it's just what would be acceptable. Besides, face it. Final Fantasy as we knew it is long dead. Time to let that dream fantasy die. Edited September 18, 2014 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 While I am partial to turn-based systems, I've come to terms with the fact that most of them nowadays are going to be either strategy RPGs or something that looks like it was made in RPG Maker. And I don't mind an action RPG as long as the combat is decent. While the story and characters in the Tales games I've played tend to really bother me, I do like the combat. And heck, you could end up with a game like FFXIII where, despite being turn-based, I thought the combat was horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/18/2014 at 6:23 PM, Mr. GOH! said: Seriously, no one else thinks the characters look like awful people? Am I just too old for these new-fangled RPGs? The character designs are awful, and exactly as I would expect from a JRPG, so unremarkable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 You guys... you're all so negative and no fun. I'm gonna have to stop reading now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 It's SquareEnix we're talking about. There is nothing positive about them anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't know... I see a lot of complaining for something that honestly looks good and feels fresh, for an FF main game. Just go play Destiny guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 On 9/19/2014 at 3:22 AM, MaliciousH said: It's SquareEnix we're talking about. There is nothing positive about them anymore. What's with this attitude? The 13 series certainly had some things going for it even if it wasn't as good as the past games. Deus Ex: HR and Tomb Raider are great. They've had a few other good titles over the past couple of years, too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 DXHR and Tomb Raider were Eidos, be like calling Wolfenstien as Bethesda game. They're just publishers. Over the last generation S-E has had many stumbling blocks, with Fabula Nova Crystalis falling apart, leading to XIII, XIII-2, XIII LR, Type-0 and FFXV instead of Agito and Versus, stumbling with mobile on stuff like All The Bravest, and absolutely tanking with FFXIV MMO. 7th Gen was without a doubt their worst generation since starting FF. However the future does look brighter. After blowing up what was FFXIV to rebuild it a FFXIV:AR, which by all accounts is a pretty good MMO now, and making a fair bit of headway in expanding their titles to PC a lot more now (Can anyone say that they weren't surprised by FFXIII hitting PC?), and seemingly finally getting FFXV soon out the door they should be a bit more stable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 On 9/19/2014 at 3:15 AM, Eleven said: You guys... you're all so negative and no fun. I'm gonna have to stop reading now. I thought the combat animations were amazing, and the game is gorgeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Oh I saw that, but it was cancelled out due to your comment about the character design. The characters are toned down, by a lot, based on previous FF games. It's modern, but still has some fantasy influences, which matches like the rest of the game/setting that they've showed us. Lots of black though. It does not look like the usual FF game, or JRPG for that matter (think FFX, Star Ocean, Lost Odyssey, Resonance of Fate, Tales series). I don't remember seeing flowing robes, high collars, buckles and belts. It still looks "japanese". I don't know exactly how to describe it, it's just different than how western games are designed. But it certainly isn't standard fare. But I mean, the companions are all just wearing jeans and jackets! It's close to what FF7 peeps were wearing, probably because of the similar "modern" setting or all the black and dark surroundings. Compare that to how Basch, Ashe, Penelo were dressed. Or Auron, Wakka, Lulu. TL:DR It should be boring, but it's so different than the norm I think it actually works quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Really the only thing about them I don't like is their douchey hair, but it's so glaring that it steals focus from everything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 That and they remind me of a wild pack of dudebros. But I'll probably buy the game if/when I get a PS4. If I can manage FFXIII until the final dungeon, I'm sure this will entertain me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Might want to skip a fair bit in (about 3:30), mostly just panning around things with Japanese over the top at the start. It would seem, though it's not super surprising, that the leaping around mechanic is pretty limited in the "where", but that's not too surprising. A lot more enemies than previous games (though XII you could pile up on enemies a fair bit in certain areas with kiting and what not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Here's some info translated from a Famitsu interview Reveal hidden contents - Final Fantasy XV's director has been changed, now the game is in Tabata's hands. Nomura will work only on KHIII - The trailer's not extended, but the scenes showed confirm it's about the upcoming demo - Tabata (I suppose): "There are great expectations for this game, and we're not forgetting this saga's roots while creating new elements (see the final part of the trailer)" - The combat system starts as "action" a-la-KH, lots of things changed since then but the action nature is still there. Not a classic JRPG, for sure - Episode Ducsae is confirmed for March 2015, included in Type 0 HD - Ducsae is a region in FFXV's world - The demo will be about a period not too far from beginning of the game, but no spoilers, don't worry, Tabata reassures. It's all to let the player comprehend the new combat system - The demo's length is far bigger than normal, with 3-4 hours and possibily of playing exploartion and dungeon phases - No classic Final Boss in the demo, but the final impression will be incredible for FF fans - There will be many exploration phases, the player can freely drive the car or let the CPU drive it through Auto Drive, so he can see see secret zones - Tabata: "The combat system's modifications have been applied correctly, and the development team feels the game much more like a "Final Fantasy" since it became a main title - ...but this doesn't mean the end of the action nature! The combat system's basis will stay that, but it won't be confusionary. We want the player to control fully what happens - There will be many new elements, and most I can't talk about. But I can tell you Noctis can dodge enemies by keeping pressing the "Block" button; there will be also Auto-Attack and the Warp button - Every character/ally will fight with his/her own style; by knowing how Noctis can perform different combos with them the player will be encouraged to search for them on the combat field in order to make a turning point in the battle. In specific moments, only a specific ally can be used against specific enemies, and the command will be visible only near the enemies. This is what makes our work on FFXV magic. We're very satisfied" - Tabata praises next gen's power, by underlining the beauty of the real-time day/night cycle - Tabata: "Open world? Yes, FFXV will have a massive world to explore, all thanks to next gen consoles - The demo is 70-80% complete. March's version will be better. - We've worked hard on how each character is characterised. Everyone's going to have his own character (laughs...). You'll love them all. - Prompto is the typical exuberant boy full of vitality, while Noctis the one who "knows", he's not the once-reserved-lonely boy anymore - Aesthetically, Ignis has been changed too - SE would like to expand the FFXV's universe on PSVita and mobile phones, i.e. it would be great to connect outside of the TV screen - The story retrace the Fabula Nova Crystallis' myth from FFXIII and Type 0, in a different world. The plot is simple: the boys have to get back a crystal stolen by an enemy country - During the interview, some names were mentioned, like King Aegis, Emperor Aldercapt, Luna, the city of Altissia...any news on the matter? Tabata: "No comment". - Not even Luna? Tabata's answer: "The others are no comment, while Luna is...tabula rasa" (laughs...), then "I'd love telling you more, but right now I can't, still she'll be a key character liek Notcis!" - New details on plot and characters in future events, Jump Festa 2015 especially. Interesting that they note it started out more action-oriented but mention that it has changed. It sounds like the entire game has changed quite a bit, really. I wonder if it was significantly scaled back. The director change is fairly recent and it sounds like it isn't too far off anymore. Also, open-world + manually driving sounds weird as hell for a FF but it could be kind of awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Can't wait for that demo! Is the warp button the teleport one? He did it in the middle of combat, I hope they make combat situations designed around that ability. I don't even understand the Crystal thing in FFXIII. I understand that's supposed to be a central theme around the original 3 games for XIII but I don't remember them seeing in the 3 "new" XIII games. I might have to read up on that. I wonder if you can offroad that car. THAT would look really weird. It will probably have invisible barriers. Or one of your friends will hit you in the head and ask you not to do that. The "secret zones" sounds like you can look for them yourself as you drive around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecha Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 I feel the open world and driving around is a lot like final fantasy....just a huge overworld map...that you are now "in" instead of looking at from above. Love that direction.Wasn't a big fan of the story in XIII...and actually never finished it. I hope XV isn't a convoluted mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihlaR7ubfOg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is that person just pressing "x" the entire time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62e1tbihcaQ&feature=youtu.be&channel=UCyffA0fMkIRYd01aENq69Yg Skip to about 6:50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9i2IFTbpg&feature=youtu.be&channel=UCyffA0fMkIRYd01aENq69Yg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuDTimeOmNc&index=4&list=UUyffA0fMkIRYd01aENq69Yg&channel=UCyffA0fMkIRYd01aENq69Yg Edited October 31, 2014 by Spooky Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 In japanese, but all looks kinda pretty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wow, that is gorgeous. I know it's Final Fantasy but hopefully they get some more ambient music when you're exploring the over world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 This is the first Final Fantasy game I'm interested in since VIII... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Previous trailer with English VA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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