TCP Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Sounds like the online gives you a free NES/SNES... for that month. Like, after the month, it's gone and you can't play it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Oh hey, Splatoon 2! As for the motion games, I'm approaching it like I did with the Wii. And what the hell, GTA Mario? Really looking at it, the Switch will really struggle until it's lineup is more robust. But that lag time might kill it. Hard to say. I want one though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Atom, with all due respect, I don't know how you can look at that presentation and see it as anything other than a disaster. I'll break this down.The Switch reveal trailer in October was very well received and it did a great job explaining how the system works. So it started things off weirdly when they used the first 5-10 minutes of this presentation reiterating those features but not as well. The entire presentation was awkward. This is an era where Sony starts their press conferences with a goddamn fucking orchestra! This conference however, had a bit with a guy sitting on a couch. It had title screens that were entirely in Japanese on an international stream. The translator stopped talking for long periods with one presenter (was that Suda?). This was a press conference from 2005. From the people who invented the Direct, that's super disappointing. Let's talk about the price, this $300USD/$400CAD. That's more than the PS4, for a weaker console with less games to play. Yes the price could have been worse but it definitely could have been better. Nintendo's unwillingness to sell a console at a loss is going to kill them. A $70 pro controller ($90 CAD). $80 joy con controller replacements ($100 CAD!!)!! How is that anything other than terrible?? And to top it all off you have to pay for online? No one uses their Nintendo consoles online enough to pay for it. All signs point that you can't send messages or voice chat through the system, you have to use the app. Oh but you get a free NES/SNES game... FOR A MONTH. Let's look at the games:- 1, 2 Switch - NEW... but probably should be a pack in game like Nintendo Land- The Legend of Zelda: BotW - NEW, but also on Wii U- Just Dance 2017 - On PS4/Xbone- Has Been Heroes - NEW- Snipperclips - NEW... I think? - Super Bomberman R - NEW!- Disgaea 5 Complete - OLD!- Puyo Puyo Tetris - OLD!- Rayman Legends - HELLA OLD!- Steep - OLD!- Skylanders: Imaginators - OLD!- I Am Setsuna - OLD!The PlayStation 4 had a weakish launch but it at least had a new Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Madden, Fifa, plus some first party exclusives. Look at the other games coming soon after launch, Skyrim 6 years old and shittier than the PS4 port, Fifa months later than the PS4/XB1, a brilliant Mario game BUT it's in 6+ months. Outside of Mario and Zelda, where were the games that got us excited? They could have teased Metroid, or the Rare game, there was tons of rumours about Beyond Good and Evil 2, sure maybe they were bullshit but that's the kind of exclusive that would have got people excited like Bayonetta 2 did for the Wii U. The rumours of Mario at launch, BG&E2, Mother 3, etc were too good to believe, definitely, but there was nothing anywhere near as exciting as any of those. Splatoon 2 looks like more of they're recycling assets from the first, that's fine but not exciting. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the same game again with what should have been DLC. Playing Mario Kart on the go isn't very exciting at this point after how great Mario Kart 7 was. Where the hell was Pokemon Stars? We know it's coming, there's way too much smoke for there not to be a Stars on the Switch. The first console Pokemon game would have been huge! How does the system UI work and look? What's Virtual Console like? Nintendo's vast library of past systems is a huge appeal, and again, rumours talked about Game Cube games finally coming and games like, as I mentioned, Mother 3 finally coming to NA. And instead of that, we didn't even get a mention of VC at all. Do my Wii U games transfer over? Will there be just a handful of VC games at a launch? Will there even be a VC? Who fucking knows! Trophies/achievements? Nothing. Nintendo had all the momentum going into this. They needed to come back HARD after the Wii U. What did we get? A fucking Wii looking motion controlled game? Doesn't this feel like the launch of the Wii U again? Yay Fifa and Skyrim... just like how we got Mass Effect 3 and Assassin's Creed 3 on the Wii U at launch and never any games like those again. We haven't got SHIT on the Wii U since Mario Maker, reading between the lines this was to get the NX/Switch ready to come out swinging. Instead this whole thing just feels like the Wii U again. That Zelda trailer was god-tier. I just don't know why anyone who owns a Wii U would buy the next console to play it. I'm so disappointed. I was so ready for a killer Nintendo console. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Please understand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Why the hell was FIFA even a talking point? Hell, why bother porting it at all? I guarantee that any serious sports gamers are playing FIFA on either a PS4 or an Xbone. There are a laundry list of reasons not to play sports games on Nintendo consoles. Edited January 13, 2017 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Nintendo consoles at this point are just Mario/Zelda boxes to me, and I played my fill of both on the N64 and Wii. It's not going to be able to keep up with the current gen titles for 3rd party so it won't be a "premium" console and it's £280, so it's not in Wii cheap console for kids territory either. I have no idea who this is for other than hardcore Nintendo fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I don't think investors were keen either, dropped 6%. Paid online is my most "WTF" of it, since Nintendo has a history of absolutely appalling online at the best of times. I think Splatoon was the only one to really gain much online interaction. They've no heavyweights like COD or BF to help them out. And yeah the "free NES game for a month" thing is a bit of a "might as well not have bothered". They're NES games, they're like 30 years old and easily playable on a huge variety of devices, Nintendo might as well actually improve on the free game offerings of "Games with Gold" n PS+ by ...I dunno having free access to the NES library. Probably would have been a bit more appealing. Price is also a bit rich considering the Shield is £170, and one £5 MHL cable later that works on your TV. But hey, you can play Skyrim as an early title for a 2017 console. I guess one of the bonus things about Nintendo is their consoles are so easily emulated that don't really have to wait on them to go the way of Sega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Well, that certainly freed up some money in my entertainment budget this year. Zelda, Mario, Pikmin and Pokemon are the only games on the Switch I'm even remotely interested in, Zelda I can get on the Wii U, Mario and Pokemon aren't coming out until this fall, and Pikmin is only a rumor (I know Pokemon is only a rumor too but it's a much more concrete one). Also, I am not sold on Mario Odyssey, that "real world" stuff is just weird and off-putting to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 None of you even mention the tiny, cramped separated Joy Con controllers that look less comfortable than even the Wii mote. But, yeah. The Switch doesn't look like it will reverse Nintendo's fortunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Meh, I don't think the joycons (stupid, stupid name) look uncomfortable, and if they are there's always that controller bracket thing to hold them. Having now watched the Zelda trailer, it does indeed look awesome, however I am very very much reinforced in my opinion that voice acting will detract from the game. Zelda's voice was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 And now let's . . . switch. As with all consoles, I'll wait until after launch. Not a purely Nintendo thing. I didn't mind the presentation. In fact, I enjoyed it. Seemed cheesy, but not in a bad way. Zelda would probably be enough for me at launch—I bought a Wii for it after all, despite it being on GCN at the time, too. But I'll give it a few months. As far as paid online is concerned, I couldn't care less. I don't buy a Nintendo console to play online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Also the price. I thought they were going to hit it out of the park when it was rumored to be $250, but I think $300 is too high compared to the other consoles AND compared to other handhelds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 So realised that if you only ever play this as a home console, which is what Nintendo push it as despite all other looks and design considerations to the contrary, you're paying over the odds for a console that has an unusable screen, an unrequired battery, and an unnecessary mechanical complication of a docking port. It'd be like if the PS4 was £100 more cos inside there was a UPS and a screen soldered into the motherboard. You'd have to totally have plans to be taking this out on like your daily commute or whatever to justify it. But like..if say you're a family (which is always the major target audience of Nintendo) most I know these days the kids all have their own tablets loaded up with films n silly games n such and for a fraction of the price of the Switch. (two Kindle Fire Kids will set you back £199.98, or 4 of the bog standard Kindle Fires for the same price). And they don't have to pay extra to be able to use VOIP with their friends (which is something I'd missed before but god that's just so hilariously Nintendo that you need a smartphone and a Nintendo MP subscription to use VOIP on the Switch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) And if you're somebody who only wants to use it as a handheld then it's more expensive than if it couldn't connect to a TV. But the point of it is that it's both a handheld and a home console, so you only have to buy one thing to fulfill both purposes. And it is cheaper than buying both things separately. The VoIP stuff is dumb as shit though. As is the price point (as I said above I think $250 would have been the sweet spot). *Edit - Oh, also, the 32GB of storage cracks me up. That wasn't enough storage space back when the Wii U launched 4 years ago. I was expecting at least 64GB for the base version and 128 for a premium one. Edited January 13, 2017 by TheMightyEthan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 That is a minuscule amount of storage. Needs to be .5tb or more in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 But it's only cheaper if you're going to buy both things separately. If you get it to replace either your Wii U or your 3DS (or both) then you're fucked on both fronts cos it's either gonna be a bit sub-par on the party games front since you'll need to remortgage to get enough controllers to go around (Wii U at least used your pre-existing Wii controllers), and you're highly unlikely to see a mainline Pokemon game on there (heck I don't think the Wii U had any spin-off games on it did it. Certainly not the downright obvious Snap 2). It somehow fails to replace either in any meaningful way. And I'm to understand they haven't spoken at all about the OS so no clue if it'll do even "basic" things like Netflix & youtube, or anything about Virtual Console, or what they're going to do to properly fix the Nintendo friend stuff so it's even vaguely comparable to Live or PSN. I'm not really hopeful on the latter since their recently released mobile game still uses friend codes rather than any other standard friending platform on mobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 We already know Pokemon Stars is coming to Switch (Stars is to Sun/Moon as Yellow is to Red/Blue). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I really thought this was going to be the beginning of a new era for Nintendo but as soon as 1, 2, Switch was shown off, it's clear they're trying to recreate the Wii, again, even though that audience is long gone. Nintendo needs to double down on actual gamers. They can have a modestly successful game system like the GCN if they focus on their core audience. Also, everyone needs to see this: Nintendo, why do you do this to yourself?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 What the fuck is wrong with Japanese people? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 The Switch is, fundamentally, a mobile gaming device. It's not a real console. I'm not sure that's a bad thing, although the price is hilarious. I can get a PS4 bundle with Uncharted 4 for less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Atom, with all due respect, I don't know how you can look at that presentation and see it as anything other than a disaster. I'll break this down. High and unrealistic expectations from Nintendo I mean, again, I didn't have any expectations besides numbers and dates. I didn't think this would be anything like an E3 presentation where companies enter a passive-aggressive gladiatorial arena using the art of showmanship. Nintendo has retreated from those battles long ago and I didn't see the January event being something to bring nostalgia to our hearts. I will say the only consolation to their online is it will be free until Fall 2017. This will give early adopters enough time to inform all of us with reservations of their online experience. The truth of the matter is that I don't expect anything online from Nintendo. It's sad and I really would love a damn online account so if anyone actually uses the Virtual Console (bless their soul), they have actually purchased that game and will have it on record. One would hope we've seen the last of using physical media for digital content transfers. The thing is, for everyone griping here and online, I see just as many people okay with the presentation online. The Switch unfortunately has reached its polarizing point where the consumer must decide to jump in or stay out. Granted, I think its because if one can find a few things they can derive enjoyment from, i.e. no Region Locking; 8 Player Local, and [insert sequel] to name a few, they've got their justification. I waited on the Wii U, so I can wait on the Switch. Buying a new console will always be more expensive than older consoles that have had to make considerations in the last few years for consumer adoption. Also, I feel like more than half the reason online is going to be paid is that Nintendo is already taking loses elsewhere and since it's now nearly a staple of the current console market, they feel they can get away with it. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Actually, I think the Switch is Nintendo's attempt to "double-down on actual gamers," as Cowboy puts it. But I don't think it brings anything new to the table for core gamers, other than local mutliplayer. But for that to support the console, it needs a lower price point and a broad variety of local multiplayer content beyond branded content. It also should be worrisome for Nintendo investors that the Switch is essentially as powerful as the rest of the next-gen consoles, but shackled by performance in mobile mode. It's telling that the only third-party open world game for the thing is from 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 It also should be worrisome for Nintendo investors that the Switch is essentially as powerful as the rest of the next-gen consoles, but shackled by performance in mobile mode. It's telling that the only third-party open world game for the thing is from 2011. Where are you getting that it's as powerful as PS4/Xbone? The stuff I'm seeing puts it at only slightly more powerful than a Wii U, no matter what mode it's in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 So Nintendo has spent a lot of time talking about their unique hardware. It seems kinda cool on a pure gadget level. LOTS of functionality tucked in there. But I don't think that's terribly important. The console won't live or die based on the quality of the controller build. The big elephant in the room is the software. Not the quality or quantity shown... but what WASN'T shown. We saw zero online survival games, zero MOBAs, zero first person shooters (Splatoon 2 was the only shooter of ANY sort) and zero realistic racing games. The open world games on display were either first party Nintendo or ancient. And those are kind of the genres of game that make the gaming world turn, you know? Xbox One is chugging along just fine on a library of nothing but shooters, open world shooters, realistic racing games and hybrids of the three. The games that sell on Play Station 4 are largely the same. The games that generate revenue on PC includes survival games and MOBAs. Across the board in this industry, these are the game types that bring in consumer interest and dollars. And Nintendo didn't have ANY. They didn't even pretend to care about having any. They went big on... JRPGs. Which, I mean, I'm a JRPG guy. I'm stoked. But at some point you need to look at what people are playing and look at the Nintendo Switch software library and say that there isn't a lot of overlap there? It's like if a movie studio said "Okay we're gonna make movies but next year we won't do any superheroes, cinematic universes, 80's action remakes, buddy comedies or romantic comedies. I think there's a big future in quality documentary and X rated dramas." It doesn't matter how GOOD those dramas and documentaries are, they just aren't what people go to the movie theater to see! That's the big issue. What the majority of the current gaming audience plays is not being provided on the Nintendo Switch. And Nintendo is either unaware of this, unable to convince those developers to create software for their platform, unable to make the games themselves, or they genuinely believe that they just don't need these kinds of games. Are there enough people who care about games off the beaten path to support a console that has ONLY games off the beaten path? The Wii U suggests no. I subscribe to the "software sells hardware" mentality and nothing here looked like it would sell a lot of hardware. A lot of it looked GOOD, but that's not the point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 FMW, are you telling me that this old businessman:...and the people he employees, don't understand popular gaming?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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