deanb Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah there's one more. Reveal hidden contents The guy who trades for weird shit (rusted nails n dirty baskets) buys it off you. Sort of an unmarked collectible I guess, like the folks that buy flowers n banuk figures from you. tbh I can't remember where the other is, just that it's a pair of handcuffs. It's a location between those two.... Maybe in the Cradle?...wait no there's Zero Dawn between those to, and that's a much bigger facility so I reckon its there. I hadn't picked up on being a Death Stranding reference but the icon for them makes much more sense (cos certainly doesn't look like a doll) and this engine is used for making Death Stranding. I had been a bit confused by them, but I don't follow Kojima enough to have gotten the reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah found it, noticed I can trade it in for a "mysterious box" from the "mystery box" seller in Meridian. No idea if I should though, or if I just hang on to it and see if it is used for some as yet to be released content... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 That was such a goooood game. Just need to knock over the dummies for the platinum. Reveal hidden contents Love that post credits sting of Sylens and HADES although I'm not keen on HADES being able to fly about the place. Why didn't he just fly to the spire ages ago if he can do that? Would have preferred it if Sylens had just gone and collected him in the birdcage and walked off. Look forward to whatever comes next in this franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Reveal hidden contents Yeah I'm not super keen on that ending ability either, would have as you said made sense to like go to the battle site and extract the core itself. Still it's never explained how Hades got from whatever facility he was in to be inside a Faro Titan. I've seen folks suggest it was more of a "representation of him transmitting himself a la wi-fi" which I can vaguely buy given code seems to generate weird red and blue strands and the transmission of the wake up code was shown visually too in a way it wouldn't really happen. But eh. Maybe something for the developers to answer a bit down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Reveal hidden contents Yeah, I'm ok with a visual representation of an otherwise invisible data transfer. It's more that if that's a thing he can do when he has had his arse handed to him, why can't he do it earlier. A small niggle in an otherwise solid story. Hope the next game/s sees us restoring / waking the other sentient cores, and maybe recovering Apollo from the odyssey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I kind of assumed that proto-apollo is gone given the Odyssey explosion. There's also a log where...I think it's Sobeck but might be one of the other Alphas, that's wary of the Apollo on Odyssey as being a proto-Apollo it doesn't have the "safeguards" that was gonna give new people tiered release for the full version. But yeah be cool to go on a hunt for the other cores. Pretty much a given that you'll be rebuilding GAIA at some point given Sylens points out Hephestus has the tech to essentially build anything, so should be able to rebuild GAIA as long as you get the instructions for it (though I imagine a bit more immature), and I'd guess connect her back up with the sub-systems. And I guess figure out what the "signal" was that woke up Hades, though I'd take a stab that it's related to Faro in some way. Faro is a weird one, like he's kind of the villain, but mostly in a kind of accidental way and being a bit of a..coward I guess. Him killing the Alphas is quite out of character for the most part, irks me a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I took that scene with Hades flying out as a metaphor for Sylens forcibly downloading him into whatever that device was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Reveal hidden contents yeah, it's a visual representation. My headcanon is that HADES is unable to propagate itself too much and is restricted to living in a particular computer in order to prevent another apocalypse. I think the Odyssey will play a big role in a sequel. I'd guess that it survived and is the source of the HADES signal. The people may not have survived though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents One of the datapoints says Odyssey suffered an antimatter containment failure when about to leave the solar system. No idea if that is a near-earth orbit thing, that would result in re-entry or if it means total annihilation.I'm also unsure as to why Faro killed the Alphas. Perhaps to stop them rebuilding Apollo? I think he makes a great villain because he thinks he is doing the right thing, and you can sort of see where he is coming from. Machines fighting wars = less human deaths = good thing (then it all goes horribly wrong). Keeping tree of knowledge from people by deleting Apollo and killing Alphas = people won't repeat our (his) mistakes = good thing. (Of course he doesn't factor in that it's human nature to be a dick in his calculation). There's almost certainly a large dollop of trying to clear his name so not entirely altruistic. Altogether, makes for a more complex villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I know what the game *said* about the Odyssey. I just think that it's eitehr false or not the whole story and that the Odyssey will play a role in the sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents Agree, there is a lot of room for anything from "crash was survivable" to "unreliable narrator". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I'm of the feeling Odyssey is fucked. "anti-matter containment breach" is pretty "welp that's fucked" given the whole anti-matter+ regular matter = big kaboom. Also if it's on the edge of the solar system that's quite far away (I'm assuming they don't have FTL hence the talk of generation ships) so no landing back on earth. Don't really consider a case of unreliable narrator, what would anyone have to gain from telling the ZD team that Odyssey exploded? "We know you're dealing with a lot of stress right now but I'm gonna make it worse my lying to you and saying the Plan B fucked up". Far Zenith is likely to play some part in the future I'd think though (given it's likely Faro was also involved on that front)As for Faro, I'm leaning more towards him wiping out Apollo to scrub mention of his name and mistake for generations to come. I get they wanted his money but the end of the day I'd say it was a bad idea to let him have any more involvement than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents Elizabeth was the only one who knew Faro's fuckup and she kept his secret in exchange for his funding the program, so it's understandable that the joint chiefs didn't see a problem with giving him access.I can't say I agree that Faro could ever be seen as a good guy, though. Making warbots to reduce human casualties can kind of be twisted into having good intentions, I guess, but warbots that eat biomass, self-replicate, get smarter over time, AND have absolutely no backdoors? Faro was the dumbest motherfucker alive, and that's pretty much an objective fact because his stupidity ended all life on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I love how this thread is entirely spoiler tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents You don't just introduce something like the Odyssey to only blow it up in the backstory never to be mentioned again. It's Chekhov's starship, for crying out loud. I think Far Zenith will also have a role to play. And I suspect there may have been other competing strategies to survive the robot apocalypse. As I've mentioned before, there are references to some weird man/machine hybrids in some of the journal entries in Sunfall. I really wanna see the weird world outside of the areas Gaia has attempted to repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I think it's introduced just show that alternatives had been put in place and add some backstory to the game that isn't just Zero Dawn (there's a bunch of stuff that's no relation to ZD but just added in for flavour). It's angled as a kind of "competitor" to ZD that failed and adds gravitas to the race to "terminal day" that the Zero Dawn team had to deal with. It's possible maybe that over the course of the thousand years since that it might have been not completely obliterated and maybe possibly been on a slingshot course that instead of flinging the debris into the Oort Cloud put it in a path that would bring it back into the solar system and it maybe might manage to miss the big old "anti-shit reaching interior of solar system" hoover that is Jupiter, then maybe manage instead to line itself up to crash to earth and maybe hitting the 30% of earth that isn't ocean and then yeah you could maybe go explore the ruins. But it's a vast amount of maybes. (though obviously the premise of the series is that someone made an AI controller robot army that has no back doors and self-replicates using the same shit humans are made of). I just think it's much more likely we'll find out Far Zenith are vaguely important of sorts. There is also mention of vault-tec like bunkers built for people hoping to wait it out but Elisabet dismisses them as working. I've a feeling that it's maybe cos they have to survive the few hundred years it takes just to turn off the signal, as in the time any sign of life in those that seeps out the bunkers will lead to their immediate demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reveal hidden contents The presumption that the explosion on the Odyssey actually happened is, well, a presumption. It was clearly fake news. The Odyssey angle is too juicy for them to give up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Reveal hidden contents I agree with Goh, and there's other get outs beside unreliable narrators. For example the anti-matter containment failure doesn't have to be catastrophic. If the drive is an Antimatter Catalyst Micro-Fission Fusion Drive then the small amount of anti-matter is used to kick off a fission reaction, that kicks off a fusion reaction, that produces thrust. In that case anti-matter containment failure would mean that you have some damage and lose your primary thrust, but not your entire ship, so limping home and crash landing would potentially leave Apollo intact in a black box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Reveal hidden contents Quote FROM: Elisabet SobeckTO: All-AlphasSUBJECT: Odyssey Has FailedAll,Some terrible news, I'm afraid. Far Zenith has informed me that the Odyssey mission has failed. Last night, telemetry indicated a catastrophic antimatter containment failure as the drives spun up to depart the solar system. The ship, its crew, its cargo of zygotes and seeds, its alpha-build of APOLLO - all were lost.Zero Dawn is now the only hope for the continuation of the human species and Earthly life.We must succeed.Elisabet It just strikes me as pretty definitive. But I guess we'll find more down the line with any sequel/DLC to come out. BTW in regards to TCPs post, I just quite enjoy we're all pulling different things from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Reveal hidden contents Fair enough, just have to rely on Far Zenith being an unreliable source then... Edited March 28, 2017 by deanb spoils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Reveal hidden contents I just don't know what motive they'd have of saying that their attempt has failed. Like all other data points on Far Zenith they're very much "yeah the governments of the world have failed to get Odyssey running but we're better than that because capitalism so we'll totally have it up and running and successful". (and also one where it's implied due to terminal day they've had to speed things along..which could lead to cutting corners) It'd be like if SpaceX issued a press release that their rocket blew up killing the two paying customers aboard, even though it did a successful round trip. Even from a conspiracy standpoint there would be little point given it's leaving the solar system. Edited March 28, 2017 by deanb spoils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Reveal hidden contents To stop people giving up. The whole you've *got* to succeed cos there is no Plan B schtick. Edited March 28, 2017 by deanb spoils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 ^Are those things spoilers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Don't think so. Or I woulda tagged it as such. It's lore stuff, not story stuff. Tag away if you want though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Datapoint based rather than main story stuff but I've wrapped them up as a just in-case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.