MetalCaveman Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Figured this deserves its own thread. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-27-ace-combat-7-now-coming-to-pc-and-xbox-one-as-well-as-ps4 It's also going be on PC, PS4 and XOne, so that's a thing. VR compatibility is also pretty cool, though I ain't buying a PSVR anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I've been hearing praise for this series for years now. Apparently the fictional setting of the series is pretty good and well-developed. I'm pretty curious about this one despite my usual apprehension at jumping into a series at installment 7. I do have Assault Horizon on Steam, so I should probably check that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 That's... not one of the best games in the series, and that's being too kind IMO, the series went somewhere completely different in terms of tone and setting with AH so, keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Lol yeah, apparently it's "the bad one". Not knowing what to expect from even the good entries, I'll be going in with an open mind whenever I get around to checking it out. What's so bad about it, though? Like, just looking at its wikipedia page I can see it's set in the real world as opposed to the series' usual setting. So, I imagine that wasn't a popular move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 There's that, but there were also issues with the characters, story, etc. It tried to be too much like CoD or BF in terms of narrative style, and so, characters suffered from lack of development and boring personalities. There's also the DFM thingy, which was a huge issue for a lot of people, it was this thing that was supposed to make fights more cinematic, but it felt too scripted and was annoying in how forced it felt, with some enemies being super hard to hit unless you used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Holy shit that was some Japanese ass melodramatic dialogue right there. Adios you damn fool. See, this is why I always worry about getting into long running game franchises that are supposed to have great stories. I'm pretty sure that most of them have hammy bad stories, but since they've been around so long there's a whole generation of people who grew up on them and didn't know better when they became deeply invested in the lore. Examples of long form game franchise stories that fans revere but are actually definitely trash: Kingdom Hearts, Metal Gear, Metroid, and everything in the Final Fantasy 7 universe. Ace Combat seems like it's prooobably another one of these. It's been around forever, it's got a big double helping of internal lore, and it comes from Japan (which, let's face it, is a pretty good sign that the story is gonna be crummy), and it's on installment 7 not counting spinoffs/prequels/whatever Ace Combat 0 was. Hopefully the soundtrack is up to snuff though. I don't play Ace Combat, but I have been blown away by the music. Very very good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 See, this is why I always worry about getting into long running game franchises that are supposed to have great stories. I'm pretty sure that most of them have hammy bad stories, but since they've been around so long there's a whole generation of people who grew up on them and didn't know better when they became deeply invested in the lore. Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 The stories always been melodramatic (those death flags) and pretty anti-war. Thing is though, war always comes back in less than a decade (all these sequels) in all these countries. Like come on Osea， stop getting into everybody's business. Yukobania, stop trying to paint the world red. BELKA DID NOTHING WRONG. And you can be part of all this alt fact world in jet fighters. You can fight over some northern sea where some ancient god demon sleeps, trying to knock something out from LEO. You can fight over cities or in some mandatory tunnel to blow up some weapon system. All with great soundtracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 See, it's that second part where Ace Combat's strength lies, not in the ridiculous story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Examples of long form game franchise stories that fans revere but are actually definitely trash: Kingdom Hearts, Metal Gear, Metroid, and everything in the Final Fantasy 7 universe. Except pretty much all of those are constantly criticized for being convoluted nonsense? So, I don't know what you're going on about here. Well, I don't know about Metroid, didn't realize that was supposed to have deep lore or whatever. It's also kinda condescending of you to assume that people are "just too dumb to realize their beloved game stories are shit". Has it occurred to you that maybe they do and still enjoy the cheesiness of it all? That's certainly true for me and Metal Gear. I mean, is loving a story that's actually kinda bad such an alien concept to you? Do you not enjoy b-movies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Yeah the AC games are known for having cheesy melodramatic stories, but that (to me) is what makes them cool, and why Assault Horizon failed in that regard. FWIW, I got into the series with 6, so it's not like I had been playing them for long enough to "revere" the story and lore behind it, I just thought it was cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Interesting. Did you feel like you were missing out on some context or just general setting knowledge by getting in so late into the series? And did you ever go back and play the previous ones? If they're mostly self-contained stories, that would make me less apprehensive at jumping in with AC7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) They are all self-contained. You only see passing references to past games and events. You might need a map to orient yourself of where you are though. Honestly, you don't need to know any of this since I didn't even know where I was when I played 4, 5 and Zero and I had a blast. Also the countries are confusing since their names are thrown left and right but you won't have any idea of how most of these countries are like. All these countries are based in part(s) on real countries or alliances. I've hinted that Osea is kind of like an EU/USA mix, Yuktobania is Russia and Belka is/was Nazi Germany lite. I believe Usea is another EU/USA mix but more like NATO than anything and maybe an Asian version at that. Just enjoy flying jet fighters and blowing shit up. In 7, it seems to be man versus machine and there's a lot of machines. I'm going to plow through them with an A-10 like I do to navies in the previous games. Edited January 31, 2017 by Mal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I played 6 and liked it and knew nothing of the lore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Alright, cool. That's good to know, thanks. One more question because wut. You can fight over some northern sea where some ancient god demon sleeps Is this just typical myths/religion stuff like we have in the real world or is there a fantasy element to this setting? Are there literal demon gods sleeping in the oceans in Ace Combat?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I don't remember anything supernatural about 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 6 Had nothing supernatural in it, it did have a gigantic railgun of doom though. Also yeah, they're pretty easy to get into even if you haven't played previous entries, though I did go back to play the others, just for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Nothing supernatural at all. Razgriz was a folktale being that brought destruction in a war torn land, killing everybody and itself. Sometime later, a traveler came by the decimated land and cultivated it anew. That traveler called themselves "Razgriz". So Razgriz is both a demon of destruction and god of hope. During the events of 5, multiple things/groups got referred to as Razgriz. It eventually fell upon you and your squadron by your enemies and allies alike for first kicking ass, faking your death then coming back stronger and hard to the point of stopping a weaponized satellite with railgun and nukes and an ultrasecret Belkan (THEY DID NOTHING WRONG) organization that started the whole war in 5 (After the events of Zero where Belka started that war (THEY DID NOTHING WRONG). I had to look that all up because even I was confused when I play it 10+ (I think...) years ago. Silly, cheesy and melodramatic, I know, but you flew through a tunnel to destroy a control center (staple of the series, for better or worse) and then shot down a falling satellite with a nuclear payload. And you get called a mythical demon god while this is playing: At the very least in these games you'll feel like a badass. Maybe I should track down 6 to play. I didn't play that one since I didn't have a 360 for the longest time and it fell off my radar. Edited January 31, 2017 by Mal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just looked and neither the PS1 nor PS2 games are available on PSN. That's a bummer because this is really starting to sound like something I'd enjoy. Guess I'm gonna have to settle for Assault Horizon until AC7 comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Looking at it now, Jesus, it has been ten years since a mainline game came out (2007 for 6). AH is 2010 and Infinite (F2P PS3 game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 It's also kinda condescending of you to assume that people are "just too dumb to realize their beloved game stories are shit". Has it occurred to you that maybe they do and still enjoy the cheesiness of it all? That's certainly true for me and Metal Gear. I mean, is loving a story that's actually kinda bad such an alien concept to you? Do you not enjoy b-movies? I'm comfortable with expanding the group of people who love bad game franchise stories to include not only those who were exposed before developing discerning taste, but also those who never did and just like bad things. Really I don't think I was condescending, I was the optimist. My view is that people are smart and will know a bad story when they see it, and judge that story accordingly. Only those corrupted as children are lost. Your position is far more cynical. "Nah, it's bad and people just like bad shit man. They're like pigs. They seek out shit and roll around in the shit. They like it." This has been your 109% sober forum check in from Wisconsin. TLDR I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I will freely admit to liking some things that are bad, despite knowing they're bad. What baffles me is when people claim that bad stories are good. Although it's also possible people are saying "I play it for the story" and I take that as "the story is good" when really they mean "I love the story even though it's terrible". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm comfortable with expanding the group of people who love bad game franchise stories to include not only those who were exposed before developing discerning taste, but also those who never did and just like bad things. Really I don't think I was condescending, I was the optimist. My view is that people are smart and will know a bad story when they see it, and judge that story accordingly. Only those corrupted as children are lost. You don't think you were condescending but people that like things you don't are either dumb or have no taste? Lmao, right. Your position is far more cynical. "Nah, it's bad and people just like bad shit man. They're like pigs. They seek out shit and roll around in the shit. They like it." This has been your 109% sober forum check in from Wisconsin. TLDR I'm right. That's not even remotely close to what I said but good to know I was right about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 It's been delayed to 2018. http://www.siliconera.com/2017/05/16/ace-combat-7-skies-unknown-delayed-2018/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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