toxicitizen Posted February 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) Looks like Hatsuu's out, possibly for good. I don't blame her and she should obviously prioritize her health but man, I'd be lying if I said this doesn't kill all the cautious optimism I had about this shit show... Edited February 2, 2019 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 Well, at least the voice acting is on point with many of the same VAs coming back. Like Sara. There would have been hell to pay if they changed her VA... Now to hope the game doesn't somehow bug out due to some weird ass NISA localization process... Any PC port remains to be seen... Probably the biggest point of contention. Like sure, I could play on a PS4 but that is my brothers and at home plus it is likely I'll be on the road for work. So I need a solid PC port. BUT YOU KNOW........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I'm hopeful that, if they haven't given up on PC, they'll at least have the good sense to hire Durante's new studio for the port. They did reach out to him on Ys VIII, he was just too busy working on CSII at the time to contribute anything more than quick feedback. I think at this point I'm over the whole XSEED thing, especially since everyone I knew by name has left the company by now, so I'm able to be cautiously optimistic again. NISA still has an uphill battle to fully win me over but not fucking up CSIII would certainly go a long way. Localizing Crossbell would also help. Like, a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Hey @Mal Remember when the future was bright for Falcom/Trails localizations? I might get some schadenfreude out of this new development if there was still a part of me that was capable of caring. If NIS goes under then fuck knows where this rollercoaster is headed next. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if XSEED no longer wants anything to do with Falcom games. Spike Chunsoft could get them, I guess? Or maybe just no one lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 One of us has to win the lottery then fund, at a loss, the localization of rest of the series. We'll contract with Durante's company for PC ports then hire all those who were lost or those who would contribute to the cause... I wish. Seriously though, while parent of NISA, NIS going under shouldn't affect NISA too much. As far as I am aware, they are pretty separate entities as far as finances goes. Or maybe I'll be eating a bag of dicks when everything blows up. Hey Falcom, can you become a shit company so I can finally not care anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted May 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 I assume they would go down with the mothership but I have no actual knowledge of how they operate. Another company swooping in and acquiring the branch is also a possibility. Would be easier than setting up and staffing a completely new studio, I imagine. But either way I doubt it would mean much for us since NIS would no longer exist and the Falcom deal happened through NIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, FLD said: since NIS would no longer exist and the Falcom deal happened through NIS. Yeah, I thought about part before I posted earlier. NISA would essentially lose their Japanese connections. NISA would essentially start from zero if they are unable to reestablish those connections through their own channels. NISA's finance is probably the biggest thing in this whole deal. If they are that closely tied to NIS, they are fucked. If not then they can probably live on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Wow, fuck XSEED. Really makes you wonder what the circumstances surrounding her firing were. This is so petty and unnecessary that I can't imagine this move being anything other than malicious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) That's beyond fucked. It's basically robbing Hatsuu of her accomplishments. I'm really questioning what the hell happened internally. From the get-go something was off. Hatsuu's replies in those days came off as polite, professional courtesy even though something seemed wrong. Is it something to do with Falcom games? Since Hatsuu left at the same time as another and I believe there was another person before that. All people instrumental to the great localization we got. Hopefully Hatsuu is able to pick herself back up because everything seemed to have been pulled out from right under her. Edited June 7, 2019 by Mal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Yeah, it seemed kinda dodgy from the start and now I'm more or less convinced something has to have gone down. It was already kinda hard to be excited for XSEED's future output considering that they lost the two main IPs I'm interested in and the rest of their output ranges from okay to meh. Then there's the fact that basically everyone I knew by name is no longer there and now this absolutely disgraceful move. Can't say I feel much sympathy for them anymore about the whole NISA thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I cannot confirm this but removing Hatsuu is like removing the name of a director. She is the one that gave us the tone we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Lol this seems to have generated enough flak for them to feel the need to comment. That's a pretty dumb and garbage policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 I really don't understand that sort of policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 Yeah, even if it's true it's still really fucking shitty in that "your contributions don't matter" kinda way. Not the first time they're being weird about crediting, though, now that I think about it. There was one game where Tom asked to not be credited and as a result he was removed from the credits of all their upcoming games due to an "all or nothing" policy. Although in that particular instance, Tom was being super fucking stupid about it (IIRC it was some unintentional KKK reference that the devs themselves decided to remove once made aware of it) so it didn't seem fucked up at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Yeah, I don't get why game companies are such assholes about who they credit. This is a pretty ridiculous example, but it's far from limited to XSEED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 What's the reasoning behind this practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 I've never heard any explanation that makes any kind of sense other than simple vindictiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 And I cannot come up with anything beside vindictiveness. Like some legal bullshit must have happened in the past that caused this to be a thing. In my mind though it's probably make things worse since people who deserve credit get none. It also treats company as people, which they are totally not. Yes, people can change but company WILL change. The XSEED that I loved is no longer around since so many people that made me love it is no longer around. Same goes for the-faceless-many (and those with names that I don't recall or want to right now) that used to work at the likes of Bungie but are no longer around. Hell, I can say the same thing about Falcom (something is for sure going on with, at least, their music department). As a side note, if a company can change for the worse or at least something different, it can also change for the better. It's the reason why I can give even the likes of NISA a chance (as I say "surprise me"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toxicitizen Posted June 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 My guess would be that it's just laziness, since it does sound like less work to treat credits as a "current staff list" than to actually keep track of everything everyone did and credit them all properly. Still a garbage policy but now that I know it's fairly common I'm not going to attribute malice without any further evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Well with the Cold Steel thing, the game was released and her name was actually in the credits, then she left the company and they patched the already released game to remove her name from the credits. So that's definitely not a laziness thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Yeah, wouldn't future credits just be adding names, not removing them? Which is why I am hoping for some legal basis for this practice otherwise nothing make sense. Though with a legal basis, it won't be making much sense either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheMightyEthan said: Well with the Cold Steel thing, the game was released and her name was actually in the credits, then she left the company and they patched the already released game to remove her name from the credits. So that's definitely not a laziness thing. Nah, unless there's something I missed, her name is only gone from the credits of the recently released PS4 ports. I don't think they patched her out of the credits of the PC or last-gen versions. And if their workflow with Falcom is the same as it was before, they probably just sent them their current staff list for the new credits roll to be created. I don't think they would re-use the old ones or actually remove names to "update" them. At least, that's the only way this whole thing makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 It appears you're correct, the article I read was wrong initially. Still ridiculous to remove people from the credits if you're still using their work, rather than just add the people who worked on the new port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Oh, absolutely. I'm not trying to defend them or anything, I just don't think it's as malicious as it initially seemed to be. It's still a fucking garbage policy lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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