Mister Jack Posted April 4, 2019 Report Share Posted April 4, 2019 Surprised this thread doesn't exist yet. Sekiro is hard as balls so I figured we could use a space to discuss tips and boss strategies. Or just discuss the game in general, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 My only real tip is to get good at deflecting ASAP. Once I did, the game really started to shine and all my early frustrations disappeared. Seriously, after that boss I mentioned in your status update I started just utterly dominating most regular enemies. It's such a key aspect of the combat that it'll probably make or break the game for a lot of people. I also had to lose so many habits from the Souls games early on. For example, dodging is rarely the right move here lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 Something I only just now realized is that you don't always have to hit the deflect button for every single hit in a combo. One of the optional bosses felt impossible until I discovered that as long as the hits are real close together, you can just hold down the button to deflect the first one and the others will be deflected automatically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 Yeah, you can just hold but as far as I can tell that only blocks their attack. If you actually deflect, you deal posture damage and open them up for a counter-attack. Right now I've kinda hit a wall in the game. I'm at the very end and the only two things I have left to do are the final boss and an optional boss that kinda feels like he belongs in a Souls game more than this. Both are ridiculously hard and are making me eat serious shit. I kinda wish I could just go right to NG+, I've run out of mini-bosses and they're way more fun to fight than these assholes lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 The way you can tell if you've deflected is if you see a large lighting effect and typically the clash is louder. The combat is very much a dance as you'll need to feel the rhythm of your enemy's attacks and trade attacks after some defense. It's not a waste of effort if you're attacking an enemy when they're guarding as it will do Posture damage. However, once you see that the enemy has deflected your attack, you'll either need to dodge or guard. Most times it's guard, but enemies leave openings either in their timing or direction of their attacks. The near end of this game is brutal. I know which bosses FLD is referring to and I'm not looking forward to having to face them. Thankfully not every Top 5 hardest boss is required or even accessible depending on which ending you receive or consciously are striving for. Still, this is a case where the final boss is, without a doubt, the hardest and strongest boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 15 hours ago, FLD said: Yeah, you can just hold but as far as I can tell that only blocks their attack. If you actually deflect, you deal posture damage and open them up for a counter-attack. Right now I've kinda hit a wall in the game. I'm at the very end and the only two things I have left to do are the final boss and an optional boss that kinda feels like he belongs in a Souls game more than this. Both are ridiculously hard and are making me eat serious shit. I kinda wish I could just go right to NG+, I've run out of mini-bosses and they're way more fun to fight than these assholes lol. Spoiler By any chance are you referring to the Demon of Hatred? That guy took me like two hours to take down. I think I had more trouble with the Owl fight though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Mister Jack said: Reveal hidden contents By any chance are you referring to the Demon of Hatred? That guy took me like two hours to take down. I think I had more trouble with the Owl fight though. Yeah. I made some progress last night and one time even got to his third phase through sheer luck but I guess it was drunk skills because today I'm back to struggling against his first phase lol. It sucks cause knowing I'm at the very end of the game, I kinda don't have the patience to grind them until I have the muscle memory down. I wanna start NG+ and go back to just playing the game. 2 hours ago, Atomsk88 said: Still, this is a case where the final boss is, without a doubt, the hardest and strongest boss. Oh, for sure. It's kinda maddening because he's way faster than any other enemy in the game but his animations make him look like he's barely even trying. He's absolutely trashing the shit out of me but the fight ends up basically looking like this lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalCaveman Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 From what I've seen, I would have a hard time with this game as I tend to go through the Souls games by just using the biggest sword I can find. Still looking forward to it whenever I get around to buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Oh fuck my life. I can finally make it to the final boss' third phase and of course he does that fucking lightning attack I could never figure out the timing of in the Genichiro fight. At least I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. If only faintly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, FLD said: Oh fuck my life. I can finally make it to the final boss' third phase and of course he does Hide contents that fucking lightning attack I could never figure out the timing of in the Genichiro fight. At least I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. If only faintly... Spoiler Isshin became a lot easier for me when I started using Shadowstrike as my primary attack whenever he left himself open. That's four or five free hits. As for the lightning, the trick I personally used for the timing is to hit R1 just as the thunder sound effect from the attack hitting you is ending. As for the Demon of Hatred, if you don't have the fire umbrella upgrade yet, get that before you try to take him on. It makes a huge difference. Edited April 7, 2019 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, Mister Jack said: Reveal hidden contents Isshin became a lot easier for me when I started using Shadowstrike as my primary attack whenever he left himself open. That's four or five free hits. As for the lightning, the trick I personally used for the timing is to hit R1 just as the thunder sound effect from the attack hitting you is ending. As for the Demon of Hatred, if you don't have the fire umbrella upgrade yet, get that before you try to take him on. It makes a huge difference. Thanks for the tips. I was trying to time it visually but I would only get it like 10% of the time, so I figured I was better off dodging it. I'll have to give the sound thing a shot because it's much harder to dodge here. I'm tempted to try Shadowstrike but I'm starting to reliably be able to make it through his first two phases, so I'm really hesitant to change my strategy now lol. I'm not sure if I have the umbrella thing. I've mostly been sticking with the axe, spear and firecrackers. I'll check it out next time I fire up the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Spoiler You get it from the merchant near the old grave in the house with the broken roof. It's expensive but absolutely worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) I meant the upgrade itself, I have all the prosthetics. I'm not seeing any fire upgrade in the tree, though. The only one I don't have is Lotus. I'm assuming that's the one? edit: Just got it, and yeah it's definitely flaming. As for shadowstrike, I have shadowrush but it's only one attack. Unless I'm blind, there's nothing called Shadowstrike in the skill tree lol. Edited April 7, 2019 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) Oh, my bad, I got the name wrong. You hit them once and can hit them two or three more times coming down. The extra hits are small but they add up. Edited April 7, 2019 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) Yeah, ok. I thought that must be it but I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking another more useful move. I can somewhat consistently get through his second phase now, so that only leaves the last one... That motherfucker better not pull a Guardian Ape on me and have a bullshit secret extra phase because I'm gonna fucking lose it loll Edited April 7, 2019 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Damn it feels really good to go to new game plus and curb stomp all those bosses who were giving me hours of grief before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Oh my god, finally! My gourd was empty and I had just used my last resurrection but I somehow managed to kill that fucker! The difficulty curve of this fight was some genius level shit. Going from "wtf can I even do against this guy?!?" to "wait, I just got through the first two phases without getting hit once :O" is more satisfying than anything from any of the Souls games. Holy shit! I think the hardest bosses from this game ended up being my favorites because of how you truly have to master them to get past them. Oh and thanks again for the Shadowrush tip, Jack. Once I figured out how to get 3-4 hits in each time, it came in really handy. Pretty sure saving it for the last phase is what made the biggest difference on my final attempt. Now that leaves only that optional boss before I can move on to NG+. I really hope the attack power upgrade I got from the final boss is gonna give me the edge I need here because I really don't feel like spending another couple days bashing my head against another wall lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) You know, it's funny. I struggled through like 20-30 deaths for a lot of those brick wall bosses everyone has trouble with, but on the attempt where I finally beat them, final boss included, I ended up not even needing to use any resurrections to get through it. It's like I suddenly became awesome out of nowhere. Spoiler Fire umbrella makes the Demon of Hatred so much easier. Just keep it handy whenever you're at mid to long range to block his fireballs and stay close to him as much as you can. Only the moment of impact can hurt you, so you can run through the flames on the ground as long as you blocked the hit. Try to sprint towards him and slightly to the right and you'll end up behind him most of the time to get in a few safe hits. If you can do that and read the tells for his AOE attacks, you shouldn't have to struggle too much. Sprint away when he squats down for his jump, then grapple onto him after he lands for those free aerial hits. Run away after the end of the second phase to escape his flame wall and let him come to you. He'll probably do it a second or third time but don't worry too much if you get trapped by it. You're supposed to be right up next to him the whole time anyway. Good luck! Edited April 8, 2019 by Mister Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Big Red is down. Holy fuck, what a terrible fight lol. I completely cheesed his third phase using the malcontent and I don't even feel bad about it lol. Genuinely the only one in the entire game that I hated, even after the fact. It's manageable once you get a feel for his animations but it's such a far cry from everything else in the game that it just feels so out of place. I mean, this is pretty much a Dark Souls boss. Also, some of his attacks felt wildly inconsistent in what you could do against them. It's entirely possible (likely, even) that I missed something but two in particular seemed like I only had a 50/50 chance of running under them. Half the time his bullshit tracking would just follow me through every single pixel and crush me. I could never figure out what the difference was. Really glad that's over. Now to see if there's anything I should do while I still can before moving on to NG+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 You...you can cheese him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Yeah, the malcontent stuns him long enough to take a decent chunk of his health bar lol. I didn't have enough spirit emblems to completely kill him (not sure if it's even possible since it seems to cap at 20) but it brought him down low enough that it was pretty easy to finish him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Shit, I didn't know that and ended up doing it the hard way. I'm not ashamed to be cheap so I wish I knew that. The way I see it, the game stacks the odds so heavily against you that any strategy short of hacking the game is legitimate. Victory before honor and all that. Oh well. I've officially beaten every boss at this point anyway. Now I just need to buy all the skills and tool upgrades for the platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Oh, absolutely. These games will fuck you up if given the chance, so I'll take any advantage I can get. I spent the entire game abusing the enemies' terrible short term memory. Especially with mini-bosses to get that first stealth deathblow right off the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Have you done multiple endings yet, Jack? I'm still early in NG+ but I'm not sure which one to go for next. It's tempting to save Shura for last since it's the shortest one and by that point I imagine the game will be pretty hard but since there's a different boss I'm worried about screwing myself into a tough spot by leaving an unfamiliar boss for NG++++ lol. Then again, I could just backup my save and fuck around with the cloud files to not have to do four full playthroughs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted April 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 I save scummed for the endings. I always do that when it's an option. I like this game a lot but I don't want to play it four times in a row. I went up to New Game ++ for the extra xp but after I get the platinum I'm ready to move on until the DLC is out. The Shura boss is nowhere near as hard as the normal final boss. Still hard, but much more manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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