staySICK Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Got to see X-Men First Class the other day. It was actually really good, better than the other X-Men movies (not that's a difficult feat). Really hard to fit in the X movie timeline, I think, but that's okay, I'd rather not have to try. It really bugged me that Tempest seemed to still go by Angel in the movie, would rather have had Warren Worthington III. So I guess I have to eat my words on this movie. Which I'd say is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 The Green Mile. I forgot that Sam Rockwell was in that! I was disappointed that they didn't throw in a good Sam Rockwell Dance, though I suppose that would be an inappropriate place for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 It really bugged me that Tempest seemed to still go by Angel in the movie, would rather have had Warren Worthington III. Tempest didn't have a codename really. I mean her real name is Angel Salvadore so she just used her name and that was that. At least it's not gotten to the point where we have two hawk-eyes running around in the live action MU. Personally I didn't like First Class as much. It was alright. Fassbender was good but man did Vaughn not tell him that his accent was switching towards the latter bits of filming. He distinctly started to switch to a more Irish lilt and it was pretty obvious to me. Considering the actor is German and Irish he probably didn't notice it at the time and he was doing a variety of languages in the film. However it's the director's job to make sure the performance is on par. Vaughn seems to frequently miss that and he's guilty of nepotism in some films (not this though). It's becoming common that people in the industry don't point out obvious mistakes. For instance Shymalan actually asks some of his senior crew if he's done anything wrong and they tell him he's doing great/fine. Seriously if they were honest I'm sure he'd make better stuff (he has the potential). Kinda sorry to hear that and it's pretty much the same source who told me about Nic Cage's financial troubles back in 2005. It's there in many films and gets quite annoying. Fortunately I've not worked on sets like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 It's becoming common that people in the industry don't point out obvious mistakes. For instance Shymalan actually asks some of his senior crew if he's done anything wrong and they tell him he's doing great/fine. How do you think the Star Wars prequels got made? Plus, I think Shymalan's films had problems long before the stage that any crew would see them and be able to remedy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 It's becoming common that people in the industry don't point out obvious mistakes. For instance Shymalan actually asks some of his senior crew if he's done anything wrong and they tell him he's doing great/fine. How do you think the Star Wars prequels got made? Plus, I think Shymalan's films had problems long before the stage that any crew would see them and be able to remedy them. Honestly, there's a lot of things that went wrong for the Star Wars prequels. See the main issue there was the fact that he actually did write the stories out a while back but no one bothered to tell him the ideas were crap. As for Shymalan the issue is that he does ask around and they tell him it's good. I mean really why would you blatantly lie. With Lucas it's the fact that he wouldn't accept criticism. I know people who've worked with both and the issues are quite different. Ridley Scott though is the biggest dick and for far too many reasons that I can't be bothered to explain tonight. Another time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Transformers 3...will make me want to blow my brains out after I'm done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 The prequel stories certainly weren't planned before the original films. The fiddling around with characters is proof enough of that. And I think Shymalan's problems really all start at the script stage too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I went on a man-date with a friend yesterday to see Bridesmaids. More of a triumph for good films and comedy than for feminism as many 'woo girl-power' wannabe feminists are claiming it to be. Kristen Wiig is brilliant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Road to Perdition The Green Mile Clear and Present Danger Ronin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Green Mile is one of my favorite movies ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I watched Source Code last night. Pretty good film. I wasn't blown away but it had an interesting premise and Jake Gylenhall (sp) was very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 12 Monkeys Terry Gilliam is a filmmaking deity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'd always recommend 12 monkeys first if people are wanting to get into Gilliam. It's by far his most accessible film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'd always recommend 12 monkeys first if people are wanting to get into Gilliam. It's by far his most accessible film. Though Brazil remains his best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Aye, a great but sad ending. I love the visuals of Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 I finally got around to watching Brazil all the way through. I can't say I loved it. It seemed like ten minutes of plot swollen with self-indulgence to a full length movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I have seen many many films since 2007 (due to my career) but the one that touched me the most in the past 4 years was Le scaphandre et le papillon aka the diving bell and the butterfly. In all aspects, it was a well made film in performance, direction and cinematography (while it may not be breathtaking cinematography done to tell a story is important - man I hate it when they just use shots that have no meaning like did in atonement. tolerable in a blockbuster pulp film but not in a film like that made for such a purpose). 2007-8 was a good period for cinema. Jesse James, this one, there will be blood, the class, no country for old men. hunger, unc maymun, etc 2011 was good at Cannes after 2 years of whatever honestly. Man I should've responded to you earlier HH but yes it was planned later but it was planned out mostly in the 80s. Some of it existed before too though. A lot of it though sometime in the 80s. Shymalan's problems start post the script stage, if you think people film the scripts then it's wrong. it's mostly cause there's a good concept and the script is done alright but then they don't do enough redrafts. I mean just think what we'd have had, had they stuck to the original usual suspects script. Here's a hint. It was fucking awful. I've read the original ones and they were just pretty bad. I mean you can see there was good stuff but if they went with those, no way would it have been any good. Memento's similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Shymalan's problems start post the script stage, if you think people film the scripts then it's wrong. it's mostly cause there's a good concept and the script is done alright but then they don't do enough redrafts. I mean just think what we'd have had, had they stuck to the original usual suspects script. Here's a hint. It was fucking awful. I've read the original ones and they were just pretty bad. I mean you can see there was good stuff but if they went with those, no way would it have been any good. Memento's similar. Obviously they don't film the exact shooting script but it's Shyamalan's concepts that let them down. Nothing to do with the number of drafts, they're just hung on terrible twists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 See that's the thing. The projects get approved based on initial treatment. It's not the script and not even the concept that gets the approval. I mean come on there's so many films that basically have the same concepts. It's in execution that they differ. It's not his 'concepts' nor is it his 'scripts' because it's the producer/studio's job to basically approve of the scripts before they go for filming where it gets changed some more. What I was clearly referring to was the fact that before you have the final draft of the script there's many versions and the way his films go just means that someone's not doing the intermediate phase right or just approving since he's a brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 A treatment will contain the concept; the twist is so central to a Shyamalan script that it can't be something worked into it afterwards. I'm well aware of the phases of development and I know loads of bad ideas get made. I'm just saying that no amount of redrafting or studio influence can fix these particular films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Just got back form seeing Akira on the big screen. Well worth the 50 minute journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 A treatment will contain the concept; the twist is so central to a Shyamalan script that it can't be something worked into it afterwards. I'm well aware of the phases of development and I know loads of bad ideas get made. I'm just saying that no amount of redrafting or studio influence can fix these particular films. It's mostly because he's a brand. Otherwise story twists can be modified. I mean seriously the only thing confirmed when brands goes for funding is the logline and the treatment is just usually an extended version of that. I mean you get rewrites quite often and though it seems to be extremely central these twists sometimes get written out or changed for other twists. I mean when you're forced to read a lot of shitty scripts (worked as a script reader for a few months) you get to see how much actually gets changed storywise even in second/third draft stage. Of course it depends on other factors too, but you can't say it's at script stage. It's at decision stage since someone obviously approves of it. There are many good ones forced into rewrite and bad ones just kept for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 It was just a jab at Shyamalan. I still think he's to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well I'm a bit late on this one but I finally watched Black Swan. Whilst lacking in subtlety, Aronofsky's camera work does a beautiful job of capturing the emotion of the dancing, the performances are great and the usage of mirrors is fantastic. The character of Nina got on my nerves a bit but that didn't stop it from being very watchable. I'd have liked to see it at the cinema though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 So wait, if a character gets on your nerves, it can make a movie unwatchable? There's a lot of characters in movies who are SUPPOSED to get on your nerves. Movies aren't made for you to like every single character. When you have a scumbag character you should view them as scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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