Mal Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 So... should I visit Ireland/Northern Ireland soon or is the fears of The Troubles 2.0 unrealistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Video seems to give a fairly succint view of the current 'deals' put on the table without going into the nitty gritty of the constant string of stupid choices. As for Troubles 2.0 it's not exactly 100% hunky dory. The other day IRA claimed 5 letterbomb attacks and that's 2019. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47538402 No fucking idea what the next few weeks will see. Government is pretty much fucked, both in terms of options and just as a concept in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'd love to know what's going on now we've had that new vote. They've voted no to the deal we have and now no to a no deal brexit, so what does that leave? As far as I can guess it will be tinkering with this deal which no one actually thinks is good and returning it to the vote and repeat this process until enough MPs get sick of it and it eventually passes even though no one is actually any more keen on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 My impression was the next option is to ask the EU for an extension, but the EU has said they won't agree to an extension without a good reason, and that this deal is not open to changes, it's take it or leave it. So why would they agree to give an extension to renegotiate a deal they've already said they won't renegotiate? Here's what I, definitely not a political analyst, with no expertise in this area, anticipate: parliament votes for an extension, EU says no, parliament will hem and haw and finally pass the deal. Here's what I hope will happen: parliament votes for an extension, EU says no, vote of no confidence in May, snap elections, EU agrees to an extension for long enough for the elections to occur, new govt calls for second referendum, Brexit is soundly defeated, UK revokes Article 50 and stays in the EU. Realizing it's extremely unlikely the new govt would call for a new referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 From my eyes, pretty much mirroring Ethan's hopes: Parliament is just going in circles. Request extension to do another Brexit referendum in a month or two (Probably finalized in May for a sort of national Mayday...). If yes, then just eat the shit sandwich you all collectively made. If no, admit that the UK collectively shit their pants, clean up and be embarrassed about it till the end of time. This is so this shit can be in it's final chapters for, what I've read but have not confirmed, EU representatives election thing in June. From the outside looking in, it's like personal or political ego is in the way of doing what seems to make sense? Also, Re: Troubles 2.0, I see. Well, if Brexit goes through, I doubt it'll just remain an Irish/IRA thing to truly make it the Troubles 2.0. Ahhhh... Fuck. I got to agree with GOH. US political issues looks like peanuts compared to UK's. I'm getting anxiety just thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Got me some of that sweet sweet government response. From the Department of Exiting the EU to boot. Worth noting that "this government" very recently had a bunch of power yanked off them for a failure to deliver a deal so.... (which I guess gives this department a bit of free time to spend replying). It's just bollocks, the whole "weaken democracy" (by honouring a illegal result) and 17.4million stuff (ignoring the 17.2million stuff) is all just rubbish brexiteer soundbite wank. A considerable, a record breaking level of considerable, MPs voted against the deal put forth by government so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Right now Brexit is a trainwreck I can't look away from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/10/brexit-eu-to-decide-on-uk-extension-live-news Ugh... delayed to October 31st? That is oddly generous of the EU... which I see as kind of a big hint on what the UK should probably do. Or else get spooky skeleton'd and ectoplasm'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 The problem is the EU is creating for itself is it keeps saying "no extensions past X date without a realistic plan for going forward", then the UK continues to shit itself, and they give it another extension anyway. So now the EU deadlines are meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 It's only given two extensions. And I'd say this one is pretty final. Main reason it's "generous" is they either gave a short extension that'd fuck with the upcoming elections, or a mid-length which'd run up against both the elections and the summer break (it's been suggested that the summer break should be shortened this year). This way it means that there won't be repeated back n forth wasting time on extensions Hopefully the time makes it much better on selling idea of either a referendum or a GE. Or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 14, 2019 Report Share Posted April 14, 2019 Once is never, twice is always. By setting a hard line ("No extensions past April 12 unless the UK presents a credible plan for going forward") and then breaking it when the UK didn't meet the condition, they've established a precedent that their requirements are not to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hey Brits, is anyone in the UK reporting about how Prince Andrew is a pedophile and raped an American minor trafficker by Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffery Epstein according to unsealed court documents, including a photo of him with the minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 So, another kick of the can down the road, now to January 31st, 2020. Is this shit happening or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Well, the EU renegotiated the deal they said they wouldn't renegotiate. They're saying this deal is take it or leave it and not up to renegotiation, but, as I said before: On 4/14/2019 at 10:41 AM, TheMightyEthan said: they've established a precedent that their requirements are not to be taken seriously. But really, parliament passed the "in principal" resolution, so I expect after the elections (which the Tories look set to win pretty soundly, if you can trust polling data) Parliament will pass the implementation legislation and the UK actually will leave by the end of January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Leaving the EU with a bad deal, 5 more years of Tories to get us fucked over by US trade "deals" and all their other for the few, not the many shenanigans. Literally could not be a worse outcome. Genuinely impressive that Labour has managed to remain unelectable in the face of this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) So, my guess is the UK fails to get a trade deal with the EU iron out by December 31st and this process will go on til December 2022. Oh yeah, happy independence day? Edited February 1, 2020 by Mal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 I know I'm a few days late, but... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 So... how's Brexit going? I'm hearing things but I'm not sure how true any if it is. And oh man, posts before everything went to shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Well, the border in the Irish sea that we were promised wouldn't appear, appeared. The violence in Ireland that we were promised wouldn't return has returned, supermarkets are struggling to stock shelves, and mobile roaming charges are coming back. So all in all, "Project Fear" turned out to be "Project Kassandra" and is now pivoting to "Project I know I said I wouldn't say 'I told you so.' but since you went back on everything *you* said... 'I told you so.'" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 But who could have predicted this?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 I actually haven't heard anything about Ireland. Considering how connected I am, that is a bit surprising. I asked because of the inability to stock shelves. Seems like the Brexiters (I get the impression they really don't want to be id as such) try to pin that to the pandemic but go across the Channel and the countries there seem to be fine. You can probably also go to Ireland Ireland and they seem fine. Seems like it's kind of unique to the UK. Also I recall the trucking shitshow a few months (?; or was it when Brexit took affect) back where tons of drivers were stranded in I think the UK? Is what happening now a child of that event? Basically no EU drivers so the workforce is slashed to hell. Any of you have a good resource (news agencies, could be folks to follow, podcast or whatever) to keep up to date on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55646360 https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-hospitals-and-schools-facing-food-shortages-in-major-crisis-minister-39967782.html https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/sainsburys-says-lot-uncertainty-over-nireland-trade-2021-04-28/ BBC, Belfast Telegraph, Reuters for a Mainland UK, NI, and EU mix of views all of which basically align on the supermarket shortages being at least in part due to Brexit (covid certainly hasn't helped mind). On return to violence: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/violence-in-northern-ireland-it-s-worse-now-than-when-it-was-in-the-troubles-1.4532953 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56664378 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-nireland-protests-new-idUSKBN2BV1XQ Again, mix of sources with different biases that all broadly agree that Brexit is at least a major part of the reason for return to/increase in violence (though Ireland is very complicated even 100 years on from separation). There's lots around the "NI Protocol" (if you want a search term to go by) which UK govt signed up to assuring everyone it was a great deal and would "Get Brexit Done" and now are coming back to having realised that it is an Indiana Jones, Holy Grail, chose poorly, level of poison chalice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Anyone watching this Beeb documentary about New Labour? I'm only one episode in so far but its been pretty interesting to me (as a Labour Member who wasn't old enough to really remember the Blair years in any significant way). They've got another four episodes on iPlayer right now and it's going to run through the end of Browns tenure in office. One of the most startling things I noticed was just how different Brown and Blair both saw the idea of succession. Brown still seems to have a chip on his shoulder with regards to how he stepped aside to let Blair take a run at the party leadership after the death of John Smith in 1994; only to then find himself waiting longer and longer before Blair stepped down and handed over the party. Going forward, I'm interested to see how they handle 2007. I think if Brown calls an election after taking over from Blair then they win an election in 2007; the delay cost them vital time and gave the Tories a massive boost with regards to the crash in 2008; at that point it was basically over for New Labour and Brown, a man who I do think would have made a decent PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I don't understand how Brown could be naïve enough not to see Blair as the self-serving reptile he so obviously was. Unless he was just happy to see Blair treat the country like that and thought he'd be safe which I don't think paints him in any more a flattering light. Depressing to think that would still seem like one of the better options for PM from the last few decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 I'm not a massive Blair fan, but I do like Brown. I think it was less 'I'll let you take this one on the assumption that you'll do me a solid later' and more 'Okay, I could win this leadership election but it might fuck the party up in the process, so I'll step aside and you'll give me the reigns after 2 terms'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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