TheMightyEthan Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 There is no liberal party in the US. On a world-wide scale the Republicans are pretty far right and the Democrats are very slightly left of center. The Democrats only look liberal in comparison to the Republicans, and because we don't have any true liberal party to compare with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 TME, I live in California: Land Of Liberals. I get to see nothing but extreme liberalism. Our local Republicans are more moderate than others you see in the press (which is actually a good thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 The Dems are neoliberal technocrats, at least as a national party. The Republican party is a vortex of howling and inconsistent madness, sometimes libertarian, sometimes dominionist, and rarely reasonable old school moderate conservatives. CA GOP is bugfuck crazy. Orange county is run by the corporate-loving fascist wing of the GOP. You might not get evangelical GOP politicos in CA, but you do have the sociopathic libertarian nuts. On a local level, the Dem party can be progressive (legal weed! carbon taxes! public education!). Doubt it's truly liberal in the socialist sense (seize the means of production and nationalize it! abolish private property!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I remember seeing the political compass stuff, which was pretty interesting. UK 2010 US 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 So firstly: I was under the impression that while it likes to style itself as hippy central, at the end of the day when it comes to politics California is pretty conservative, hence Prop 8 passing. And Secondly: I'm not the only one seeing the K in the topic title right? (or left as the case may be) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Oh yeah, I was talking about the national parties. There's all kinds of variation at the state and local level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Strange how for years when they were banging on about an independent Scotland they couldn't wait to get in on the Euro, and sterling was a "millstone around Scotland's neck" but now that the Euro has been shown to be unholy mess suddenly keeping the GBP is in everyone's best interests. Sharing a currency between countries with differing economic situations is not feasible, and the Euro has amply demonstrated that, and there is no reason it should work and better between Scotland and the new UK. I don't even get it - if they want to be independent why do they want to be roped to us in such a fundamental way. It's like when a couple split up but they can't afford to move out of the house they bought together. I think the Scots just need to put down their copy of Braveheart, and see that if you take the romance of the idea out of the equation they're better off in the union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 So we had a budget. Not many people will follow exactly what happened in the budget cos of what happened almost exactly after: http://torybingo.com/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/10710011/Budget-2014-Danny-Alexander-ridicules-Tories-for-condescending-beer-and-bingo-advert.html And if you feel like seeing how it'll affect you then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17442946 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 So we had a budget. Not many people will follow exactly what happened in the budget cos of what happened almost exactly after: http://torybingo.com/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/10710011/Budget-2014-Danny-Alexander-ridicules-Tories-for-condescending-beer-and-bingo-advert.html And if you feel like seeing how it'll affect you then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17442946 Had a budget? Looks like you still have a budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No, the budget is a single day event. It tends to be dissected over the following days but it's a once yearly thing with minir tweaks and updates in... September iirc. My understanding is American budget is much the same way. Though come to think of it government shut down and similar would say not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No, the budget is the thing that governs how the government will spend money. It's something you have all the time unless there's some kind of ridiculousness like the showdown. What you're talking about is them making the budget, which should be a fairly short process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 And in the UK the budget is the day itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_Kingdom_budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Probably easier to make the distinction if you say 'the budget', not 'a budget' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 And in the UK the budget is the day itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_Kingdom_budget That article does not prove your point. It says "the budget was delivered... on" not that it "occurred on..." The budget is the actual rules/policies that govern the spending of money (like how my wife and I have a household budget), not the day it happens to get approved/enacted/whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Delivered, as in a speech. We're a thousand year old monarchy of pomp and ceremony and an iconic red briefcase: The budget being the day, the event where the Chancellor of the Exchequer lays out the plan for the year(ish) ahead on the cash flow for nation and subjects in order to help boost economy and such not. Oh and then all the analysis, news coverage and political posturing involved (as exampled on the original post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Delivered, as in a speech. We're a thousand year old monarchy of pomp and ceremony and an iconic red briefcase: The budget being the day, the event where the Chancellor of the Exchequer lays out the plan for the year(ish) ahead on the cash flow for nation and subjects in order to help boost economy and such not. Oh and then all the analysis, news coverage and political posturing involved (as exampled on the original post) So what do you call it the rest of the year? Fiddly Widdly Money Plannington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 It's isn't on for the rest of the year, or folks would get even more bored of George Osborne than they are now (that's the guy holding the briefcase). Anyway this'd be a better article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_Day#United_Kingdom Would seem there's only a few countries that do it, mainly ex-colonies. Also I always like how even if US doesn't do something it has to get added in on articles pointing this out. (previous article isn't the best but initial search gave an article actually breaking down the UK Budget and not the event) Or a non-Wiki thing: http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/occasions/budget/ I don't know enough of US government to be able to come up with something you guys might understand. I understand many of our traditions are pretty damn strange to you guys, but just go with it instead of trying to argue against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 So you have two things called the "budget": one is the ceremony or whatever, and the other is the more standard type of budget, meaning the plan for how funds will be allocated. So you have a budget (the plan for money allocation) all the time, but you only have the ceremony each time there's a new monetary plan. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yes. The laws governing savings, pensions, wages, taxes etc aren't around for just the day. The event is though. And in general usage of "the budget" ceremony > laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Okay, the monetary policy version is the only definition of budget I had ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 "Monetary policy" and "budget" are distinct concepts, too. One deals with money supply, the other with expense planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I know, I was just trying to come up with a term that made it clear which budget I was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Yes. The laws governing savings, pensions, wages, taxes etc aren't around for just the day. The event is though. And in general usage of "the budget" ceremony > laws. So once again... what do you call this thing that lasts the whole year? We just refer to it as a budget. And generally budget is used that way for lots of things. budg·et ˈbəjit/ noun noun: budget; plural noun: budgets 1. an estimate of income and expenditure for a set period of time. So I think "budget ceremony" is more like what you are describing rather than just "budget" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 You thought of maybe reading the thread for your answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 You thought of maybe reading the thread for your answer? nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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