deanb Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 STOP! HAMMER TIME! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 OK, OK, break it up you two. Kiss and make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 STOP! HAMMER TIME! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteer01 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I agree with you (P4) and Dean in that yes, pretty much the developers are leaving themselves an entire region whose only option is to not play the game, move country or pirate.Or, as Japan seems fond of doing, making it so that they intentionally restrict themselves to a single region. Perfect example. Illusion games. What? Don't judge me. (I spent a long time living there, OK.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteer01 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 And seriously, the Witcher 2 thing? Take that stick out of your ass. No, I do not like to support companies that do what CDPR is doing. I don't see why that is relevant to anything but that very discussion. Why are you bringing it up again? Not trying to fan the flames, but if you're pirating games, you're not supporting the companies that are doing what you approve of either. I understand boycotting a company, and I understand people, who for whatever variety of reasons, choose to pirate the majority of their software, but I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too if you pirate games the vast majority of your games before you disapprove of what a specific company is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 If you think I pirate the vast majority of my games, peteer, you're making a lot of false assumptions. I buy most of my games via steam sales. I pirate those I can't afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteer01 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 If you think I pirate the vast majority of my games, peteer, you're making a lot of false assumptions. I buy most of my games via steam sales. I pirate those I can't afford. I apologize for misreading this thread then. If you're buying the vast majority of your games, I understand how you could consider pirating Witcher 2 as a form of boycotting it. The impression I got from the thread was that you pirated a lot of games, and that you felt that pirating was better for the developer than not playing at all. Sorry if I'm mistaken and misread things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That was actually the impression I got too. Though now that I think about it I should have known, based on your activity in the Steam Trading thread (got to buy the games to get the goodies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 @ peter and ethan: I can't hold this against you. It is sometimes hard to argue for piracy being OK in this thread without sounding like an extremist about it. This misunderstanding is not entirely unexpected (although still disappointing.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/12/splendid-cd-projekt-to-stop-legal-threats/ There you go Johnny, you can buy Witcher 2 now, CD Projekt are stopping with the letters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post excel_excel Posted January 12, 2012 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 DEAN THROWS A MIGHTY BLOW AT JOHNNY, HOW WILL JOHNNY RETALIATE? FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EXCITING EPISODE OF PIRACY TALK X! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-piracy-episode-1-copyright-220166.phtml Hmmm... the big problem with his whole rant is that nobody forces anyone to sell their IP to anyone else. If you don't want an evil corporation owning your game IP, music, book or movie then don't sell it to them. It's a simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 No, the big problem with the whole rant is that it's Jim Sterling. That wasn't a fat joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 No, the big problem with the whole rant is that it's Jim Sterling. That wasn't a fat joke. I know, was hoping to invalidate pirates by showing that Jim Sterling agrees with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Because those are the kind of underhanded tactics that leads to a meaningful discussion, amirite? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Because those are the kind of underhanded tactics that leads to a meaningful discussion, amirite? ^This^ But I will say that I'm shocked that Jim Sterling is actually talking sense....but it's like "Dude, we've been shouting this shit at you for years, regurgitate more?" Edited January 24, 2012 by MasterDex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I actually thought the Jimquisition episode was pretty decent. Then again, I also like Jim Sterling, and I know many of you hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I actually thought the Jimquisition episode was pretty decent. Then again, I also like Jim Sterling, and I know many of you hate him. Hate is a strong word. I'd say, at least in my case, that 99% of the time I've read or listened to Sterling that I've disagreed with him vehemently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 In regards to the jimquisition video, he has a point about IP law being a bit shit as it looks currently, and I like him apologizing for his previous PIRATES ARR THIEVERIES rant. Then he jumped into full Sterling style and concluded that publishers are all evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 He's just the same sort of sensationalist journalist that places like Kotaku use to generate page views. Doesn't mean he can't hit things on the head now and again, though his methods and tone are as usual fallacious and antagonistic respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 His ranting about IP owners should have rights is the same thing as saying that if Nike paid an agency to design them a logo then that agency should have rights to that logo forever. It's rediculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 His ranting about IP owners should have rights is the same thing as saying that if Nike paid an agency to design them a logo then that agency should have rights to that logo forever. It's rediculous. No, that's a different kettle of fish. That would be a commissioned work and Nike would be the owner of the new logo from the get-go. The agency wouldn't be creating a logo and then selling it, they would be creating a logo that they're being paid to create. What Jim is talking about is how a band, developer, etc could create something and then, to get the work released or the funds needed to finish the work, have to turn to a record label or publisher who would say "We'll publish this but you have to hand over all the rights" and then go on to undermarket, rush etc the work and then hang onto the copyrights indefinitely. There's a whole world of fucked up in copyright law - and it gets worse every time Disneys years are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm fairly certain that his example of Metal Arms would be a direct comparison to commissioned work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Doesn't mean he can't hit things on the head now and again Even a stopped clock... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm fairly certain that his example of Metal Arms would be a direct comparison to commissioned work. Metal Arms wasn't commissioned. It was created and developed by Swingin' Ape Studios and then published by Vivendi. Vivendi didn't approach the studio to make the game. The developers approached Vivendi to publish the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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