Yantelope Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. At what point to you agree to the license though with a console game? By opening it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 From my understanding: Never. EULAs on games have a fatal flaw in that there's no way for you to agree to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 You accept the license by using the software. It's acceptance by notice, or by course of dealings. Unless of course you've gone to the trouble of amending the EULA and sending it back to the publisher and they have accepted your changes. Somewhat unsurprisingly, in my time (~7 years) in software publishing I've not seen this once, and I can't imagine we'd agree to a change in EULA. Even if you aren't in breach of the license, FFVII being a PS1 title, I'm not sure what the EULA says or if there even is one, and are not responsible for the initial breach of Copyright, you are still guilty of secondary Copyright infringement for dealing with material that you know, or ought reasonably to know is infringing material, especially if you went on to seed the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I didn't seed or even download the material. I ripped the ISO onto my computer from the disc I purchased and then used a program to put the proper PSP headers on it so that it would run on a PSP so there was no infringing material save for perhaps my own backup. Also, just because a publisher says you agree by using the software that isn't always true. There are a lot of contracts which require signature and I believe there is some legal questions remaining as to whether EULAs fall under this category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 You know I'm looking here and I can't find a EULA on here. At least nothing like what you get most of the times. This is the closest I can find. I'll put in spoiler tags so you don't accidentally go and agree to it by loading up this thread. As long as you only use it yourself it seems that ripping to put on another platform is fine. Nothing I can see. In fact this reads pretty much like what you'd see on a DVD so I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't much thought into EULAs in them days (EULAs back then were probably thought of as just things you put on Operating Systems and MS Office, not games. Cos that'd be fucking retarded) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I'd suggest that changing platform was an "Unauthorised Adaptation" or "Unauthorised Extraction". But compared to modern EULAs it's weak. A EULA is a unilateral contract, certain elements (or the whole) of it may be unenforceable, but the doctrine of acceptance by notice and/or course of dealing is pretty much solid. On balance, you have probably impliedly accepted the contract. Whether the contract is worth anything is another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I understood an "unauthorised adaptation" to be something like this: http://www.opcoder.com/projects/chrono/ or this http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/04/nintendo-shuts-down-zelda-fan-film-four-years-in-the-making/ So an adaptation of the licensed characters/trademarks/settings and turning them into something else. Not the actual code of the game into another format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 It's pretty open to interpretation. PS1 days were the days of abandonware before companies seemed to care too much about their old games so I'm a little inclined to agree that the original intent was probably not to keep you from porting the software to other platforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Eloquent as usual. He's one of my favourite entertainers and that short clip sums up why - he's intelligent, down to earth and witty. Now, I'm off to watch Fry's Planet Word.On the internet, illegally, comfortably knowing that Stephan Fry wouldn't think of me as an immoral person. Thanks for that, Johnny. Edited October 24, 2011 by MasterDex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 https://torrentfreak.com/too-controversial-pirate-party-banned-from-gaming-exhibition-111105/ Swedish Pirate Party banned from Swedish gaming exhibition. It's not like a gate crash thing, they were invited, even put on the event list. Wengse informed Troberg that the exhibition is a meeting place and not a venue for political conflict and the party’s presence could cause problems, particularly since some of their work “could be perceived as criminal.”Troberg countered that as a political party they only want to change certain laws democratically, and that can not be considered a crime. Which is pretty much the crux of it all. It's only criminal while there's laws against it. Laws change. And yeah it's pretty obvious that it was the other attendees that lead to their ban (either directly or indirectly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Much as I dislike piracy, I dislike people who kowtow and renege on agreements more. Especially when they've bought and paid for something and been completely up-front about who and what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 From the "reduced expense" comment when talking about the increased exposure this has given I have a feeling they got their money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What I mean is, you take someone's money, there's a contract there. I don't mean just in law, I mean you've asked the other guys to do something, they've done it. Now you change your mind and they've just got to put up with it. It's wrong on so many levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 A man's word is his bond, and all that? I agree wholeheartedly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 So, remember the Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect IP Act in the States? SOPA is havign a hearing today. It'll be interesting of what comes out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Thursday, hypothetical for you: Person preorders Game, which comes out on Friday, planning to play it all weekend. Carrier fucks up the delivery, so Person won't receive it until Monday. Is it wrong for Person to pirate Game to be able to play it over the weekend? Remember, Person has purchased Game, and it has been released so they're not pirating it before release date, just due to Carrier's mistake Person doesn't yet have possession of it. I'm interested to see what you think of that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 It's still a breach of the owner's copyright. If you speak to the publisher, explain the situation and they say "go for it" then it's fine. Otherwise, you have to live with the delay. Like I've said elsewhere. It's black and white for me. Sure you're not really doing any harm, but it's still not in accordance with the content owner's wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Check out this hilaribad anti-Piracy piece of propaganda. http://www.viacom.com/news/Pages/anti-piracy.html They really lay it on thick. "No more Spongebob." Yeah. I'd be the first to admit that piracy won't be stopped by DRM. It also will not be stopped by highly paid VP's of this or that bleating about how sad piracy makes them. Especially not when Viacom's CEO got a $50million RAISE this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Huh, I actually expected you to go the other way on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Which? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Oh, on my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Oh. Well, there you go. Thursday's law is like Thursday's love. Hard and fast. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post deanb Posted November 17, 2011 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Just to respond to part of that video Thursday linked: You are fucking retarded if you complain about piracy but provide no legal alternative. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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