Thursday Next Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I'd be down for a maximum duration. Kind of like being President. You're only allowed 3 or 4 renewals or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 If I had to shoot from the hip and make something up, I'd say... 20-25 years for the initial copyright - you could tell the industry it's still a generous extension from the original 14-year term, and it would be well timed so that the things people grew up with would be usable by them as adults. Then, for exceptional cases where they still use them actively - like The Simpsons, 10 year extensions could be approved on an individual basis by a judge. Say someone writes a classic novel, they die but have no heirs or next of kin, and the publisher decides to extend copyright? Sorry - not good enough; it's just an old work and they've already had 25 years to make the vastest share of profits already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Did we just fix copyright law? Cause I'm pretty sure that's what just happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I'm pretty sure this is just a thread. If you guys were to say pool together enough money to lobby this into law then you could maybe fix it. But you'd need an awful lot of money. To make that awful lot of money may I suggest releasing a series of books and films and using the acquired funds over the century to fund the change in copyright law? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) Now all that's left is to start a multibillion dollar lobby to argue in court for us, and buy politicians to pass the laws back toward the consumer's favour... [Dean beat me to it! I didn't even see that until I came back to check the thread...] Edited April 23, 2012 by fuchikoma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 To the Kickstartermobile!!! Everyone who funds it will get free access to formerly protected works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I'm here to play Devil's advocate and point out that the Public Domain is a great thing, sure. However, it's a double edged sword. Take for example, Popeye cartoons. Popeye cartoons used to be available on every cheap dollar DVD around in piss poor quality with faded prints duped from 16mm masters from TV releases. The original negatives rested comfortably in Paramount's vault but since they were so cheaply and readily available in the public domain Paramount saw no market to release their prints out into the public where the public domain would just allow them to be ripped off. Then through a twist of fate (and Congress) many of the classic Popeye cartoons were returned from the Public Domain back to Paramount. Paramount followed up by releasing some fantastically restored DVDs. I'm not saying that infinite copyright is the best or that the public domain should be eliminated, heaven forbid, just that copyright if too short can have its consequences as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 That's not the fault of Public Domain. That's the fault of Paramount. They didn't see a market for a higher quality product for a higher price tag until they were given back their monopoly. If companies knew that their Copyright was gone then they'd be forced to add more new content (which would have Copyright protection) and more quality to their release than to the public domain version in order to be competitive. It would (in an ideal world) lead to an economy where lower quality versions of your old, Public Domain product were distributed freely and could serve to advertise your brand, while some people would come to you for a better product or service and would pay more for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/05/24/the-riaa-do-not-believe-a-word-they-say-ever-for-theyre-claiming-72-trillion-in-damages/ $72trillion in damages. Daamn. RIAA are insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 This is more than the value of everything produced in the world in an entire year, the entire output of all 7 billion human beings. the combined wealth of the entire planet is around $60 trillion (£38 trillion), LOL holy fuck The RIAA needs to be dismantled already. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Aw fuck you, RIAA. You and the MPAA both. Fuck you with a rusty pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Try opening the nearest available basic economics textbook. Somewhere around page two or three you will be introduced to supply and demand curves. It will be gently explained to you that demand falls with rising prices. Thus something that sells for 10 cents will have more sales than that same thing priced at 99 cents. Something priced at free will have very much wider distribution than something priced at that 99 cents. You cannot, therefore, take the extent of distribution at price 0 cents and conclude that that is the number of 99 cent sales that did not happen. It is illogical Captain. THANK YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 I wonder if that's how they calculated it, or if they took the number of downloads and tried to go for statutory and punitive damages. Either way it's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Like...Who the fuck has the balls to claim this? Out of whose mouth is this 72 trillion dollar claim coming out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 I could pull that much money out of my ass, because that's clearly where they got that number from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Did you read the full story? They didn't specify damages. That number is just what shakes up if you apply the maths of the claim strictly. If you sue someone for your car being written off, you go for the maximum value of a car of that age etc at that time. The judge will then look at how you arrived at your figure and make an adjustment as he did in this case. So you might as well go for the big score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Except if you limit your arguments to a method that yields a number that's patently ridiculous like that then basically the judge's only alternative is to go with the defendant's reasoning, which is not what you want to happen. At most it seems to me like something you'd use as a throwaway argument to make your real argument look more reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Yes, of course. I'm assuming that RIAA had more than just this figure on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 @TN: The text you're referring to is an update that was added after I (and I'm assuming the rest of the people commenting here) read the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Ah, fair enough. Didn't check the time-stamps. My apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Ah yeah, after reading the update everything makes more sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/06/japan-download-copyright-law/ Watch, the crazy and amazing Japanese are going to make a super proxy somehow. Seriously though... jail time? At least we over here in the States and elsewhere can pretty much ignore whatever threatening letters we get from this law firm or company unless it got a judge signature on it. Imagine the US implementing a system like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I wonder how future generations will look back at this time regarding copyright infringement. Something will tell me they'll lament the steps we went through to prevent the sharing of culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Nah, I imagine they'll look back on it like we look on the Wild West: somewhat romantically, but ultimately glad that Law was established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 It's more reminiscent of prohibition imho. The authorities trying to crack down too hard on something that they never had a hope of preventing allowing criminals to prosper from it instead finding a way to make money off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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