TheMightyEthan Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yeah, that does seem like a pretty good analogy. Maybe it will end up like marijuana then: the authorities trying to crack down on it with no hope of stopping it, but never changing their ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Jeeeeebus. I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Funnily enough, I thought that way about piracy before I thought it about marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) I knew they could go to jail for - I didn't realize this was new... Still crazy though - and if you're prosecuted in Japanese court, you are probably going to be found guilty too. Don't get me started on ... There's a lot of cool stuff in that country, but their justice system is pretty draconian. (Then, look a the crime rate... you could pass out drunk at a train station and wake up with your wallet intact. But when laws ban popular movements like this, it starts to get crazy.) Edited June 22, 2012 by fuchikoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 But when laws ban popular movements like this, it starts to get crazy. What if there was a "popular movement" to steal drunk people's wallets? Should the law then not ban that? Calling something a popular movement doesn't give it automatic legitimacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 That's true of course. So are you saying they should arrest millions of people and make their lives hell for downloading some MP3s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 No, I don't think it should be a crime, and I'm not sure where I stand on the civil side of it, I'm just saying that calling it a popular movement isn't justification for making it legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think it's completely ignoring the problem if you're locking up the downloaders. Piracy is and always will be a market force. The greater piracy in the internet age means the industries effected the most need to change how they do business, not go locking up potential customers. Copyright law exists for a reason but it's getting a bit too heavy-handed these days. Unfortunately, the ones with the most power (money) to change the law are the ones that benefit the most from more draconian sentencing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yeah... I definitely agree popularity isn't justification for something. I guess what I was leaning toward by mentioning that it's a popular movement is that for one thing, when something becomes as commonplace as file sharing, punishing those who do it once it's so firmly established risks putting a mind boggling number of people behind bars. For something that is so difficult to prove the harm of, that seems seriously misguided to me. It's the proverbial "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Ah, okay. That I can agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Unfortunately, the ones with the most power (money) to change the law are the ones that benefit the most from more draconian sentencing. Or so they think. Sending people to jail is just going to make people hate you. I don't know about other countries, but there's a large amount of pirates here in Sweden who went from "I pirate some stuff and buy other stuff" to "I'm not buying anything from these guys ever again" around the time of the pirate bay trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I would love to see all the content producers in the world boycott customers for a year. A whole year of no new games, music, books, films, anything for people to steal. An absolutely perfect form of DRM. No hacks, cracks or keygens. No "For all you know this is a legitimate backup" or "I'm pirating to demo it". Just nothing. Perhaps then you'd all have a greater appreciation of how much you need your entertainment overlords and would actually stick your hands in your pockets instead of picking theirs. That's a little tongue in cheek. But still, it would be one hell of a social experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 An experiment that would end in massive damage to the gaming industry with tons of people losing their jobs when publishers and developers aren't getting any game sales. Who needs who, again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 You'd just have everyone on holiday for a year. It's an idea that I am totally serious about and honestly think is fully workable with absolutely no potential for any fallout whatsoever. I was not at all joking. You totally need the games industry. How else would you fill your days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 You totally need the games industry. How else would you fill your days? With the overwhelming amount of content created previously? I don't know about you guys, but I have 325 games in my Steam library, and that's not even counting my PS2, 360, PS3, Wii and Vita games. I think I would be good for a year. But I can guarantee you that after that year, people would still be pirating stuff in droves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 That's funny, I was just thinking last night before I went to bed that I've probably got enough games that I bought but haven't played yet to last me a year if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Yeah I've not bought new games for a while. A year long gaming break would be pretty neat. Get to catch up on the backlog, sites get to spend a bit of time writing up some more on the classics instead of pumping out the latest marketing materials. Pretty much only ones hurt would be the content producers. Not like last years games all stop working(well..) or get any worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 For all content producers in the world to stop... even in one medium, just couldn't happen - I think it'd be a rejection of our humanity. We can't not make art. If the "games industry" shut down on the other hand, hypothetically... I think they'd never recover from it when they tried to come back. There are tons of indie game makers, and many more would go indie in the meantime. Even if there was a global law against selling games, people would give them away and we'd still have stuff to play. I think in this era if any content industry dug its heels in and tried to starve the market, they and their customers would quickly realize their irrelevance. They're not needed for promotion, nor distribution, and platforms that require licensing would be the only ones to suffer. Mainly their role is huge-scale project management and coordination. Sure, we wouldn't have many multimillion dollar blockbusters - personally I'd hardly notice but I know many would be bothered. Still, there will be games as long as something is programmable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I think Thursdays suggestion was a bit of a "what-if" regardless of the logistics of it all. Just not making games is something that'd never happen in reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I know... I just decided to respond to a limited form of that because 3 people have already basically said "well, I have enough games saved up to play in the meantime." That's basically my position too, but when Thursday said "you totally need the games industry" I thought "do I really? I'd get games anyway. The best ones don't even come from the games industry - they come from people making what they want to play. The games industry just wants to make something safe that'll definitely sell." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) I tend to lag behind by a few months, a year or two on games so, no lost on my part. Besides, I tend to replay games. Same would apply for all content really. Well, maybe not for TWOW since GRRM need to get the books out before he can no longer say "Not today!". For any market, the producers need the consumers and vice versa but I feel the producers rely more on the consumers. I can say "Fuck you" to the producers by pirating, buying used or not buying the product. The producers can proceed to setup this DRM or that DRM, raise prices or any other form of pissing off consumers. For me personally, I would stop dealing with those type of producers. Other folks may pirate more. Who the hell knows... Sadly for the producers, they don't make money (food) out of thin air (Not literally) like nature's producers: plants. If the producers die out, we the consumers are screwed as well. We need each other. So lets stop trying to choke each other. <3 Edited June 25, 2012 by MaliciousH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pirate Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Sigh... This is probably the main reasoning for all these laws, fines, and criminal against piracy: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103759/not-a-big-deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 New UK plans mean a £20 charge to prove your innocence. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 New UK plans mean a £20 charge to prove your innocence. :/ I agree that's an insane thing. And it also is upto the ISP to bear the whole costs. I'm certain there will be some opposition to this on a fair few fronts. I do agree with curbing piracy on some scale but all current methods are still ridiculous. Also trying to talk to FACT is like talking to a brick wall even if you're a film production company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) The only way piracy is going to be curbed in any way is if the big media conglomerates stop looking at the downloaders as criminals and start looking at them as people who want their products. I fear the only way that's going to happen is for the stack of cards that is big media to collapse and for a new, disparate industry that realises that the old methods don't work in the new world to rise from its ashes. Edited June 27, 2012 by MasterDex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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