deanb Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Reveal hidden contents Yeah, so now we're reaching the point where the Doctor knows more about River than she does of him. Up to the point that River described to Rory in episode 1 of how she meets a man who knows everything about her. Obviously on her end she eventually meets Tennat, who knows jack about her. Yeah, "A good man" is far too obvious to be the doctor. Maybe Rory? Edit: Rory was living plastic. Not anymore, time reset. Hence the fuzzy memories. Also the River thing is pretty easy. At her first appearance on the show is her last time seeing him, and she knows everything she'll ever know of him, including his name. Her last apperance on the show will be when she doesn't know who the doctor is in any shape or form. Every time she is on the show she knows less about the doctor, and he knows more about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Reveal hidden contents Well I'd have agreed about the 'good man' being too obvious to be the Doctor if they hadn't then killed him at the start of this series Besides there are clearly so many twists/reveals coming that they can't all come completely out of the left field. The real twist is how will the Doctor come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 On 5/3/2011 at 2:31 PM, Deanb said: Reveal hidden contents Yeah, so now we're reaching the point where the Doctor knows more about River than she does of him. Up to the point that River described to Rory in episode 1 of how she meets a man who knows everything about her. Obviously on her end she eventually meets Tennat, who knows jack about her. Yeah, "A good man" is far too obvious to be the doctor. Maybe Rory? Edit: Rory was living plastic. Not anymore, time reset. Hence the fuzzy memories. Also the River thing is pretty easy. At her first appearance on the show is her last time seeing him, and she knows everything she'll ever know of him, including his name. Her last apperance on the show will be when she doesn't know who the doctor is in any shape or form. Every time she is on the show she knows less about the doctor, and he knows more about her. Reveal hidden contents That's the wrong way around - she knows more about him each meeting and the doctor knows her less - that's why at the end of last episode she kissed him and he couldn't remember they'd done it before and she knew they had. She also said there's a thing worse than the doctor dying to amy and the implication was that the worse thing would be that when he know longer knows who she (ie River) is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Reveal hidden contents He couldn't "remember" because that's the first time from his perspective (And it's the doctor who we're following chronologically) he's ever kissed her. From her perspective (cos she's going backwards to him) it was her last kiss with him. He's not forgetting anything. Or we as viewers would have seen them snog before. For example on the Byzantium (the weeping angel ship/planet/cave) which was the second time he'd met her, she knew of the Pandorica, which was the 3rd time they met up. The Pandorica wasn't something he forgot, it was just something that hadn't happened for him yet. It's why they check diarys, not to kick start his memory, it's so she doesn't tell him his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) clipped from a wiki: Reveal hidden contents River told Rory that she and the Doctor are meeting in reverse order and that every time she met him, he knew her less. She feared the day when she met a Doctor who did not know her. edit to add link to prove I'm right! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010tb7q on bbc iplayer it's 37.40 Edited May 3, 2011 by TheFlyingGerbil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvEv2JBOMTk From our perspective, and the doctors, she already has.This is a bit out of date:But you should get the gist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 "From our perspective, and the doctors, she already has." huh, she already has what? I'm not sure how the clip helped as it didn't mention her at all. Anyway, I've just reread the posts and I think I must have missed where you put 'on the show' because I was looking at it from River's perspective, not the doctor's/viewer's perspective and just though you meant she new less and less about him, and he knew more, and from her perspective that is the wrong way around. I guess my reading comprehension drops off a cliff after midnight so I'd best be off to bed before I make even more of a fool of myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 On 5/4/2011 at 12:27 AM, TheFlyingGerbil said: "From our perspective, and the doctors, she already has." huh, she already has what? I'm not sure how the clip helped as it didn't mention her at all. She already has met a doctor who doesn't know her: Tennant. Then she died. That's what the scene with Rory was referencing. I jsut used the clip cos it's the trailer for the Silence in the Library. The specific River Song clips are all AMV type shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 On 5/4/2011 at 12:01 AM, Deanb said: This is a bit out of date: But you should get the gist. It's like a subway map! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I think you could make a pretty cool spin-off show about River Song - better than torchwood at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Children of Earth was pretty good. Shame it took them 3 series to get to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Is Doctor Who now too scary for children? lolwut. The whole point of Dr Who is to be scary to children. None of this "but I wuv you doctor" we had in the RTD era. Moffat is great with that. Statues, like the ones you see in town, want to toss you back in time. Shadows will eat you. And there's aliens you won't even remember. Put's fear in the children, builds character. (p.s for those in america who weren't aware: over here Dr Who is considered a kids show) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Doctor Who fits America's expectations rather well, I'd say. I really doubt they'll be censoring it or anything any time soon. I don't understand how Doctor Who is "scary." If DW is scary what would that put Amnesia at, the Uber-Verboten zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) On 5/5/2011 at 1:39 AM, Deanb said: Is Doctor Who now too scary for children? lolwut. The whole point of Dr Who is to be scary to children. None of this "but I wuv you doctor" we had in the RTD era. Moffat is great with that. Statues, like the ones you see in town, want to toss you back in time. Shadows will eat you. And there's aliens you won't even remember. Put's fear in the children, builds character. (p.s for those in america who weren't aware: over here Dr Who is considered a kids show) I like how the first guy complains about Doctor Who being too scary, then praises The Doctor Dances and complains about the 'Teletubby' Daleks (i.e. less scary Daleks). Oh and because his 10 year old daughter is at the 'ew, boys' stage that means romance sub-plots are out of the question for every person watching. Besides since when have kids ever wanted to watch a love story. @Enervation: Really? I was completely on edge for the scene where Amy gets locked in the space-porta-cabin with the weeping angel video, and the gas mask kid from The Doctor Dances was creepy as hell. Now imagine how a much younger child is going to react in proportion. Remember we're talking scary for kids, Amnesia isn't exactly for kids, now, is it? Edited May 5, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I completely agree with the second guy. Who has always been about cowering behind sofas. The fact that the effects have improved is irrelevant. Back when the villains looked like men in rubber suits television screens and signal were crap. It didn't matter that the men in suits had visible zips because you could barely make them out even with a "massive" 20" tv. Children get more advanced with every generation, in fact, people get used to new fakery all the time. I remember Jurassic Park looking as real as could be, I go back and watch it now and wonder how I ever fell for cartoon dinosaurs. We'll look back on Who in 10-20 years time and think, "how did anyone find something so preposterous even the slightest bit scary?" It's the reason that films like Alien (which barely show the monster except for fleeting glimpses) retain their scare factor while other monster films like Jaws become laughable when you see the ridiculous rubber shark. Who's scariest villains (imho) are still the weeping angels. The Silence have a certain creep factor that lurks in childrens' imaginations, but you see those angel statues all over the place and you can never really be absolutely sure it hasn't moved just a little bit while you looked the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 On 5/5/2011 at 11:37 AM, Mr W Phallus said: @Enervation: Really? I was completely on edge for the scene where Amy gets locked in the space-porta-cabin with the weeping angel video, and the gas mask kid from The Doctor Dances was creepy as hell. Now imagine how a much younger child is going to react in proportion. Remember we're talking scary for kids, Amnesia isn't exactly for kids, now, is it? Well that was tense, but really that episode gave plenty of indication that was going to happen, for I think at least several minutes beforehand? I'm not sure. Doctor Who sometimes bordered on creepy, but it was never really outright scary as far as I see. And as for Amnesia, yea, that was a bad example. The Silents don't make very good enemies, in my opinion. As Thursday said, they have that creep factor, but to me anything that can get fatally wounded with three shots from a snub-nosed pistol just doesn't sit very high on the scary scale. Weeping Angels, in their pseudo-indestructibility still sit at the throne of scary/cool for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 An alien that could be standing right behind you, and even if you turned around to make sure nothing was there, you'd never really be sure when you turned back round that you hadn't just forgotten it was there... I reckon that's pretty creepy when you think about it. I'll admit the weeping angels are probably top of my Who creep list, too, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if kids got freaked out by it. Oh and the nest of Silence aliens on the ceiling, that is the stuff of kids nightmares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Rather enjoyable episode. Nothing too scary, nothing much in revelations. Your average 3rd episode of doctor who. Reveal hidden contents As soon as the kid "died" you knew that it wasn't killing them. Kids don't die on doctor who (torchwood mind...) I rather enjoyed the scene at the end with the pirate off n along in their new space ship. Sure it won't last long (since I doubt he mentioned the whole concept of a "vacuum" and alien weaponry), but it was a nice happy ending. Loved the "Rory!" "Son!" "My TARDIS!" bit Also the woman in the doorway is back. I wonder what her story is. And now for next weeks teaser. The Neil Gaiman one. Ood!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Didn't think it was a good episode to be honest. There was a hell of a lot of plot holes for one thing, and it definitely felt like the writer had thought 'I know what would be cool, pirates and a siren and the black spot...er now how are we going to explain this'. The whole thing just felt to clumsy, especially when they tacked on the story arc stuff at the end, like 'sorry guys, we know that was a bit crap but bear with us while we get through the filler, we haven't forgotten about the important stuff.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Typical filler episode. Decent enough, didn't set my world on fire. Next one should be more arc-y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I think the only significant thing that happened in that episode was that lady in the door, that only Amy can see. Other than that, just wasn't interesting enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I wasn't so much bothered by alack of 'significance', I just thought as a stand alone story it was pretty rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr W Phallus Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 After tonight's episode, look me in the eye and tell me the pirates one wasn't crap. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Fantastic. My new favourite episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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