Mr W Phallus Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Reveal hidden contents He said he needed to see The Flesh in an early state, so he could scan it and that allowed him to stop Flesh Amy from blocking some signal back to Real Amy. This weeks episode was pretty average, although the ending was really good, if a bit rushed. Like with the pirate episode though, it feels like the story was tacked on because they knew the rest of the episode wasn't great. Few things to point out: Reveal hidden contents Flesh Doctor aka John Smith wasn't melted by acid like Dean predicted (actually the way they get the TARDIS back was a bit of a lame Deus Ex Machina), and there were some fairly heavy hints about coming back before he was turned back into raw Flesh, so the possibility that it was Smith who dies in Ep 1 is still open. The Doctor now knows he is going to die (and doesn't seem particularly surprised). Oh, and I totally saw the Doctor/Smith switcharoo coming a mile off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I do love it when the Doctor gets all "Oncoming Storm" on people. Reveal hidden contents Agree with Dean, I guess she's got to have been copied before she got knocked up (or the Flesh would have a baby too) and replaced in the three months after she told the Doc she was preggers and before Day of the Moon. I guess the kidnappers could have impregnated her, but I doubt it. It's a bit of a shame that they've left three clear months where it could have happened. I'd rather they'd done something "clever" like Doctor with jacket/Doctor without jacket during an episode. The Jen monster was a bit contrived, but they did manage to justify it with the discarded alive Flesh (at least I felt it was justified). Reveal hidden contents I too saw the shoe swap coming a mile off. Still, it was well played out. Surprised they actually killed Human Jen, also, I find it odd that the Doctor turned Flesh Amy back into Raw Flesh (is that the right term?) having spent the whole episode telling the Flesh versions of their counterparts that they were alive and real and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) Reveal hidden contents I think she got copied whilst she was pregnant, which is why the scan couldn't decide between pregnant and not pregnant. The flesh would copy the foetus but wouldn't be able to actually recreate a pregnancy or something like that. Obvious counter-argument is the scanner just doesn't work on Flesh things. Besides the impression I got from the end of last episode was that they kidnapped her precisely to get the baby - if she wasn't knocked up they wouldn't have a reason to scan her. But then again, the entire premise of the show revolves around time travel, so... Reveal hidden contents The Doctor does seem to contradict himself by destroying Flesh Amy, but a) I'd be pretty irrational in that situation, wouldn't you? and b ) He refers to 'the Flesh in an earlier stage', maybe the more advanced Flesh Amy has no free will or something along those lines, or indeed is being controlled (without her realising) by Amy, who thinks she is with the Doctor but is actually in confinement. The signal that is being blocked to Amy could be the signal controlling it and her cell could be acting as a harness. Damn this is a complicated show. Edited May 31, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Reveal hidden contents Yeah I think the way it was presented was that Real Amy was controlling the Flesh Amy. He destroyed Flesh Amy to make Real Amy fully aware of her current situation (also cos he broke the bond, I'd imagine so he could locate her or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yeah, ok, that works for me. Let's go with that then. Reveal hidden contents Flesh Amy is souless shell controlled by real Amy. Flesh Amy is destroyed so Doctor can find real Amy. That's neat. I like neat. Neat is good. Reveal hidden contents The only reason I speculate that Flesh Amy is pre-pregnancy is that it would explain how Flesh Amy is not pregnant, while real Amy is. Their signals are getting crossed or something. They went to great lengths to point out that Flesh takes on everything from memories to blood cots, so why not a parasite (baby) as well? I'm now thinking that maybe real Amy was kidnapped, copied, replaced and then impregnated. This could explain how the Doctor is the father (hence girl with "Time Head") without any Doctor/Amy sexy-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13594932 Poor Daleks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 On 5/31/2011 at 5:31 PM, Chris said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13594932 Poor Daleks. Pretty much every version of the Doctor has had a run-in with the Daleks so it might be time to give them a rest. There are plenty of classic Who villains that could be brought back. I know I'm in the EXTREME minority but I'd like to simply see the Doctor visit various times and meet famous people without monsters, ghosts or aliens. I mean, the first voyage was to some Cavemen for crying out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 On 6/1/2011 at 1:21 PM, Battra92 said: Pretty much every version of the Doctor has had a run-in with the Daleks so it might be time to give them a rest. There are plenty of classic Who villains that could be brought back. I know I'm in the EXTREME minority but I'd like to simply see the Doctor visit various times and meet famous people without monsters, ghosts or aliens. I mean, the first voyage was to some Cavemen for crying out loud. You are suggesting that they drop the mild peril? Are you quite mad? I'm all for dropping the Daleks for a bit, if they do have to include them, they should give the Daleks a victory, a real, meaningful win. Have them off Amy or Rory or something, permanently not the way Rory normally dies. At least have them wipe out a civilisation. Moffat is right when he says they are the most reliably defeatable enemy. If they're going to keep their "arch nemesis" crown then they should be allowed a win every now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) On 6/1/2011 at 1:38 PM, Thursday Next said: You are suggesting that they drop the mild peril? Are you quite mad? Humans can't be perilous? And what about natural disasters? And what's wrong with an episode where the Doctor & co visit an important moment of history, meet some interesting characters and accidentally end up being the catalyst for that important moment? I'm sure there are other problems in history for the Doctor to solve than malevolent aliens and monsters. Edited June 1, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ahhh, I see. Yeah some cataclysm that the Doctor was involved in that made the Grand Canyon or the like. Or something in Ancient Greece where he gets mistaken for a god. Thought it was the villains in general you wanted rid of, rather than being concerned where they came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Or where he has to blow up Mount Vesuvius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 On 6/1/2011 at 2:20 PM, Deanb said: Or where he has to blow up Mount Vesuvius. That would be a good episode, but considering the death count unlikely. Unless the dead bodies were evil aliens, then we're back where we started. Although it would be worth it for that episode, the could meet Pliny the Elder on the beach and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 You could have Amy as a soothsayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Waaaaait a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWq4S3XbP5g 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Gleaned from reddit.com/r/doctorwho: Reveal hidden contents Place your bets, y'all! EDIT: Also, in response to the chart in deanb's post... if none of those work, go for the big guns and break out Blink. :U Edited June 2, 2011 by Deanb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 HAHAHA "Rory (lol)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 On 6/2/2011 at 1:47 AM, Deanb said: I say that people need to watch Hartnel but you don't have to start there. I still think the original Dalek serial is the best. It's so creepy/cool in Black and White. My mom claims I watched the Tom Baker episodes on PBS as a kid but I don't remember it. Jon Pertwee is excellent to watch and is perhaps the most fun of all the Doctors. At least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr W Phallus Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Was a good episode, if a bit heavy on the In Media Res beginning. Which wasn't helped by the fact I missed a little bit of the very beginning. Have to say I was a little disappointed by the River reveal, it seemed a bit obvious and it's also kinda creepy... Reveal hidden contents Oh and I think I predicted that River killed the Doctor, well it was her space suit... Next episode is called Let's Kill Hitler, not entirely sure how that follows on from the last episode but more sensationalism will abound I'm sure. I liked how they incorporated the Cybermen, it acknowledges them as a classic enemy but doesn't waste a whole episode in doing so. They should do a similar thing with the Daleks (but make them a lot less of a push-over than the Cybermen were in this one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 https://twitter.com/...041441158873088 lol edit via Lewie P: https://groups.googl...845f05e9b213df9 (note the date) That means part of this episode has been cooking in Steven Moffats head for over 15 years. WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 It would have been even better if the replies had all said 'No Steven, that's a stupid idea and it would never happen'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirandello Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 We all have one of those days. On another note, I've missed the two latest episodes due to finals. Will watch once I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deanb Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 New Torchwood is out. Its the US made one: Miracle Day (basic plot premise is for one day no one dies.....and then it continues on past one day. I'm watching now, I'll update as n when I've finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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