Fucking Kotaku

[deanb]

Nah, I just used an old trick to fuck about with the URL

[excaliburps]

Owen jumped in the Steam chat after the Great Massacre to try and calm the situation. From what I've gathered then and some other comments on Kotaku itself from Owen, the main problem seems to be that what Dean was saying wasn't respectful criticism, but "telling everyone how to do their jobs". Whether all the eds or just Owen and Crecente see it that way, I have no idea.

 

 

This is in relation to deanb's banning?

[Cyber Rat]

Owen jumped in the Steam chat after the Great Massacre to try and calm the situation. From what I've gathered then and some other comments on Kotaku itself from Owen, the main problem seems to be that what Dean was saying wasn't respectful criticism, but "telling everyone how to do their jobs". Whether all the eds or just Owen and Crecente see it that way, I have no idea.

 

 

This is in relation to deanb's banning?

 

The jumping on Steam on was because of a lot of people getting banned because they called out Kotaku on banning Dean. The "telling everyone how to do their jobs" thing was the usual response whenever talking about Dean.

[excaliburps]

no no no. He didn't use info on my FB account to ban me. Just quoting my reaction to the ban that I posted on facebook.

As for the hate, dunno. I'd imagine it'd be to do with my well structured and sourced criticism of the site. And the fact a fair few folks replied agreeing, and adding to it all. I think up until that point he was just used to the "slow news day" "how is this game news" stuff.

 

I wonder if their recent drop in traffic (alexa now pins it at 60% drop week on week), they might adapt and change a bit. Focus a bit more on gaming news. Or at least drop the gaming facade once n for all and let themselves go.

 

edit: They didn't say it wasn't respectful, but yeah they did make a couple comments on the "telling us how to run the site" variety. Which it wasn't. Wasn't telling anyone anything, I'm not Denton, I'm in no position. Was just some friendly advice on how to reduce folks becoming disfranchised with the site will maintaining and increase the quality off the articles and coverage they produce.

 

Even so. The fact that he used a third-party site and did something because of what you said in it sounds a bit too "big brotherly" to me. Saw the site traffic for Feb. It wasn't pretty. Traffic/viewcount dropped more than half.

 

I actually have never posted any "is this news?" or "slow news day?" comments. I mean any news is news.

 

As for Denton, he's a tool. Albeit a rich one. But a tool nonetheless.

[excaliburps]

This new layout would make it take forever to find the direct response from Owen in the comments. It was a thread of comments about Dean being ban or de-starred, I can't remember honestly, I think it was the latter, but when I said Dean was offering constructive criticism and punished for it, Owen made it sound like the eds think Dean is telling them how to do their jobs and that's something they don't want.

 

After the bannings, the new most common phrase is "you guys are just a few people among 2 million monthly readers". The fame got to whoever's heads and it's damaging Kotaku and Gawker in general now it seems. I'm only sorry for contributors like Totilo.

 

 

Hmmm...I think Bash, Owen is nice enough. Although some of 'em do seem a little too sure of themselves. Buy yeah. Kotaku got so big so quickly that transitioning from being second to Joystiq, to now being the top banana among sites did do more damage than good. Yep. Totilo is the best writer out of the bunch. No questions there. Thank god they don't have Tim Rogers as a regular poster. If so, I think every news post would be a bore to read.

[excaliburps]

Owen jumped in the Steam chat after the Great Massacre to try and calm the situation. From what I've gathered then and some other comments on Kotaku itself from Owen, the main problem seems to be that what Dean was saying wasn't respectful criticism, but "telling everyone how to do their jobs". Whether all the eds or just Owen and Crecente see it that way, I have no idea.

 

 

This is in relation to deanb's banning?

 

The jumping on Steam on was because of a lot of people getting banned because they called out Kotaku on banning Dean. The "telling everyone how to do their jobs" thing was the usual response whenever talking about Dean.

 

I actually read some of it. Ban of Dean was a bit extreme. But some of the people did resort to name-calling and whatnot. So, after that fiasco, dean wasn't welcome anymore? He got banned all of the time or what?

[Cyber Rat]

Owen jumped in the Steam chat after the Great Massacre to try and calm the situation. From what I've gathered then and some other comments on Kotaku itself from Owen, the main problem seems to be that what Dean was saying wasn't respectful criticism, but "telling everyone how to do their jobs". Whether all the eds or just Owen and Crecente see it that way, I have no idea.

 

 

This is in relation to deanb's banning?

 

The jumping on Steam on was because of a lot of people getting banned because they called out Kotaku on banning Dean. The "telling everyone how to do their jobs" thing was the usual response whenever talking about Dean.

 

I actually read some of it. Ban of Dean was a bit extreme. But some of the people did resort to name-calling and whatnot. So, after that fiasco, dean wasn't welcome anymore? He got banned all of the time or what?

 

From what I've gathered, every time Crecente would notice him, he got banned.

[Connorrrr]

The kotaku massacre, what a time. RIP Commenters.

 

My favourite writer is Totilo, by far. He seems more professional, he knows what he's talking about, he has similar tastes to me, he's a nice guy when I've spoken to him on Twitter/in the comments. My least favourite by far is Bashcraft, who's articles spread a broad spectrum of shit, ranging from generally mis-informed to "this girl is hot and there's a console in the photo"

 

I don't mind Tim Rogers all that much. He does seem to write whatever thoughts roll through his mind and he's in desperate need of an editor but they're not awful.

 

Lisa Foiles is an obvious cash in on the "Hot girl plays games". Her writing is not all that spectacular and I find her articles to not be that interesting really (with some exceptions, admittedly)

 

Plunkett, as stated by someone else in here, is an antagonistic bastard. The others don't really bother me at all.

[deanb]

Oh wow, just had a peek today, and it now no longer show grey replies. Like if you open up replies it only shows promoted n starred, then you have to scroll down and hit "show replies" again to see greyed comments.

Eurgh.

[excaliburps]

Owen jumped in the Steam chat after the Great Massacre to try and calm the situation. From what I've gathered then and some other comments on Kotaku itself from Owen, the main problem seems to be that what Dean was saying wasn't respectful criticism, but "telling everyone how to do their jobs". Whether all the eds or just Owen and Crecente see it that way, I have no idea.

 

 

This is in relation to deanb's banning?

 

The jumping on Steam on was because of a lot of people getting banned because they called out Kotaku on banning Dean. The "telling everyone how to do their jobs" thing was the usual response whenever talking about Dean.

 

I actually read some of it. Ban of Dean was a bit extreme. But some of the people did resort to name-calling and whatnot. So, after that fiasco, dean wasn't welcome anymore? He got banned all of the time or what?

 

From what I've gathered, every time Crecente would notice him, he got banned.

 

What? Even if he didn't post anything offensive? That's just wrong...

[excaliburps]

Oh, anyone noticed they dropped "The Gamer's Guide" from the site headline?

[TheForgetfulBrain]

Oh, anyone noticed they dropped "The Gamer's Guide" from the site headline?

 

Ohh, nice catch. People always used that when criticizing Kotaku for non-gaming stories.

 

Now they can't use that - clever move, Kotaku, clever move.

[Mal]

Now officially Kotaku is post whatever shit the editors want. Hurray!

[peteer01]

Oh, anyone noticed they dropped "The Gamer's Guide" from the site headline?

 

Ohh, nice catch. People always used that when criticizing Kotaku for non-gaming stories.

 

Now they can't use that - clever move, Kotaku, clever move.

It's probably for the best. Between the shift away from commentors and comments, the redesign and some of the articles tenuous (at best)ties to gaming, seems like they have an idea of where they want to go and what they want to post...and if "The Gamer's Guide" doesn't fit, it makes sense they've gotten rid of it.

:yawn:

[Strangelove]

Not enough people hate luke. theres nothing really special about him. Hes not a good writer, he doesnt contribute anything new or original, and he acts like a total douchebag.

i hate bashcraft the most, but at least the guy contributes weaboo shit. Luke really doesnt know shit or do shit. I get why crecente, bash, totilo, and mcwhertor are there. Maybe even fahey, but i have no idea what luke really does for the website. He doesnt have a specialty, besides being the troll of the the site.

[excaliburps]

Oh, anyone noticed they dropped "The Gamer's Guide" from the site headline?

 

Ohh, nice catch. People always used that when criticizing Kotaku for non-gaming stories.

 

Now they can't use that - clever move, Kotaku, clever move.

 

 

Haha! Yeah. Well, if they do post non-gaming things now people can't really complain that much...Not that it would do any good.

 

Oh, anyone noticed they dropped "The Gamer's Guide" from the site headline?

Ohh, nice catch. People always used that when criticizing Kotaku for non-gaming stories.

 

Now they can't use that - clever move, Kotaku, clever move.

It's probably for the best. Between the shift away from commentors and comments, the redesign and some of the articles tenuous (at best)ties to gaming, seems like they have an idea of where they want to go and what they want to post...and if "The Gamer's Guide" doesn't fit, it makes sense they've gotten rid of it.

:yawn:

Yeah. Certainly seems that way. It's like Gawker is losing focus on what made it what it is today in the first place. A nerd-haven. I'm not blaming the Kotaku staff for the redesign as it's pretty obvious they can't control it. Not saying they're saints either though.

Now officially Kotaku is post whatever shit the editors want. Hurray!

 

 

They've been doing that for quite some time now. Well, you're right. Unofficially. So now it's officially official.

Not enough people hate luke. theres nothing really special about him. Hes not a good writer, he doesnt contribute anything new or original, and he acts like a total douchebag.

i hate bashcraft the most, but at least the guy contributes weaboo shit. Luke really doesnt know shit or do shit. I get why crecente, bash, totilo, and mcwhertor are there. Maybe even fahey, but i have no idea what luke really does for the website. He doesnt have a specialty, besides being the troll of the the site.

 

Haha! Yep. A ton of people hate Luke. I guess they get banned or whatnot so you don't see their posts. Some of them seem to have their heads stuck up their asses. For me I generally am critical of someone's work. But if they're good people and whatnot, you tend to give a little more slack.

 

With Luke? Erm...I did talk to him a couple of times. Sometimes he came off as a well enough guy, at other times a jerk with a pedestal where he can pelt stones at peons.

 

Fahey is their resident comic guy. Crecente's the big cheese. I think more out of seniority and site tenure than anything. Bash is the Japan guy. Totilo is easily the best writer out of the bunch though. I admit I'm not that critical of their work. Kotaku's been my go to site sine way, way back. Sad to see things change. I still go to the site. But I find I'm commenting there less. Browsing stories less...

Edited February 20, 2011 by Deanb
http://tay.gappoi.org/topic/266-forum-tips-tricks/

[McBeeferton]

Man. Remember when Kotaku was a great site with a sense of shame and dignity?

 

Yeah, me neither.

[peteer01]

Man. Remember when Kotaku was a great site with a sense of shame and dignity?

 

Yeah, me neither.

Maybe you don't remember, New Guy...but there was this guy, Manly McBeeferton...

[Hot Heart]

This seems appropriate for many Kotaku readers...

 

[Baconrath]

Kotaku Australia/Bungie speculation

[deanb]

Heh. I slipped in an article relating to that on the News Feed.

Apple. Tree. Not falling far.

[McBeeferton]

Kotaku Australia/Bungie speculation

 

Daaaaaaaaaamn. Kotaku got told.

[TheForgetfulBrain]

From the latest PA Blog Post (Friday's):

 

"There's a new group blog on gaming called No High Scores that has a hell of a crew behind it, and deserves a spot up on your bookmarks bar. Maybe it could go right where all your Gawker sites used to be."

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Who's the "hell of a crew?"

[deanb]

Who's the "hell of a crew?"

 

For the "clicking the About button" challenged:

http://nohighscores.com/node/4

 

That would be the "hell of a crew".