Fucking Kotaku

[Maritan]

You really think that Amnesia is also a First Person Shooter?

Edited August 9, 2011 by Maritan

[toxicitizen]

That's the thing, though. He didn't use the word shooter. He used the acronym FPS. A lot of people will say FPS when they really mean "First-Person POV".

I don't think he was talking about genre here but rather describing a gameplay aspect.

 

Of course, this is Kotaku we're talking about. So who knows. They are basically experts at not knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

 

 

edit: okay fucking nevermind. Just read the replies to your comment on Kotaku, and he really meant to call it a shooter and even defends that Skyrim is one. What a joke...

Edited August 9, 2011 by FLD

[deanb]

I mean no disrespect when I say this: I couldn't give a dragon's ass about the story in Skyrim. It may well be wonderful, but as the fifth installment in The Elder Scrollsseries—none of which I've played for more than an hour or two at most—I've never had any opportunity to understand, let alone grow to love, the story.

 

WWWHHHYYYY?????

Why do they keep on doing this?

 

Is it so hard to knock up a list of "games this writer is in to". Unless not a single one of them has never played a TES game for more than an hour then I see no reason to put Joel on the case if he hasn't.

 

Also it kinda clashes with this:

There's something distinct about the way The Elder Scrolls series seems to ignore the issue of race that feels at once mature and perhaps over idealized

 

 

Oh and this articles reputation precedes it. Already had a fair few moaning about it yesterday, but first time anyone has linked it.

 

Oh and the FPS comment seems to mainly be sheer laziness since he does call it "first-person RPG" earlier on.

[toxicitizen]

So now Deus Ex isn't an RPG either. I just couldn't let that one slide. Had to chime in.

 

Though I find it absolutely insane that I am explaining what an RPG is to someone who is paid to write about video games.

Edited August 9, 2011 by FLD

[Cyber Rat]

Though I find it absolutely insane that I am explaining what an RPG is to someone who is paid to write about video games.

 

Oh, dude, then you have no idea how mad the whole damn world is.

 

My advice? Don't waste your fingers typing to them. If you want to type, start doing writing yourself.

[excel_excel]

Skyrim IS an FPS! You shoot stuff! and it has a first person perspective! Its a platformer too! Cause you jump on things! Its also a JRPG cause in Skyrim you'll randomly battle enemies who appear in front of you. Its also a RTS game cause its a real time game where you plan your strategy in battles.

 

Its also a racer.

[FredEffinChopin]

Skyrim IS an FPS! You shoot stuff! and it has a first person perspective! Its a platformer too! Cause you jump on things! Its also a JRPG cause in Skyrim you'll randomly battle enemies who appear in front of you. Its also a RTS game cause its a real time game where you plan your strategy in battles.

 

Its also a racer.

 

Bah, I was looking for more of a FPS/dating sim/sport/puzzle/space shooter. Why doesn't anyone cater to me any more? I'm telling you, the market has gone to the casuals.

[Cyber Rat]

Skyrim IS an FPS! You shoot stuff! and it has a first person perspective! Its a platformer too! Cause you jump on things! Its also a JRPG cause in Skyrim you'll randomly battle enemies who appear in front of you. Its also a RTS game cause its a real time game where you plan your strategy in battles.

 

Its also a racer.

 

Bah, I was looking for more of a FPS/dating sim/sport/puzzle/space shooter. Why doesn't anyone cater to me any more? I'm telling you, the market has gone to the casuals.

 

That's Mass Effect if you keep your head REALLY close to the screen.

[FredEffinChopin]

 

Well played there, well played.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Skyrim IS an FPS! You shoot stuff! and it has a first person perspective! Its a platformer too! Cause you jump on things! Its also a JRPG cause in Skyrim you'll randomly battle enemies who appear in front of you. Its also a RTS game cause its a real time game where you plan your strategy in battles.

 

Its also a racer.

 

I know you're being sarcastic, but doesn't shit like this just show how hard it is to label games these days? Games are very rarely one genre anymore. I mean fuck, just look at Mass Effect, it got slightly less RPG in the sequel and people went bat shit crazy and started labeling it a TPS. It was always a TPS. It was always a RPG.

[deanb]

Welcome to the reasoning behind part of our review summary.

[toxicitizen]

I know you're being sarcastic, but doesn't shit like this just show how hard it is to label games these days? Games are very rarely one genre anymore. I mean fuck, just look at Mass Effect, it got slightly less RPG in the sequel and people went bat shit crazy and started labeling it a TPS. It was always a TPS. It was always a RPG.

Yeah, and it sure as shit didn't help with the labelling when action games started borrowing RPG elements left and right. For example, I don't think of Borderlands as a RPG, but you get xp and level up, skillpoints to assign and a fuckton of loot to collect. I find it mostly comes down to how the game feels and plays. If you can fire a perfectly lined up headshot and somehow miss because your gun skill isn't high enough, then you're definitely playing a RPG

Edited August 10, 2011 by FLD

[excel_excel]

Skyrim IS an FPS! You shoot stuff! and it has a first person perspective! Its a platformer too! Cause you jump on things! Its also a JRPG cause in Skyrim you'll randomly battle enemies who appear in front of you. Its also a RTS game cause its a real time game where you plan your strategy in battles.

 

Its also a racer.

 

I know you're being sarcastic, but doesn't shit like this just show how hard it is to label games these days? Games are very rarely one genre anymore. I mean fuck, just look at Mass Effect, it got slightly less RPG in the sequel and people went bat shit crazy and started labeling it a TPS. It was always a TPS. It was always a RPG.

 

Oh yeah I totally agree. Its getting harder to define games these days. When certain elements are pushed more into the background or foreground, it blurs the lines even more. I think its a good thing though. Certainly makes things seem more complex and deep in the games that include so many different elements. Of course too much and run the risk of watering down all the elements of the game OR your left with Dwarf Fortress

Edited August 10, 2011 by excel_excel

[MasterDex]

I'm fine with genre blending so long as it works well but from my experience, most games that blend multiple genres aren't fantastically conceived. They're more like jacks-of-all rather than masters at anything, which can be fine but personally I'd rather drink a fine whiskey than a JD and coke....Actually, scrap that analogy. I've a better one. Developing a multi-genre game is like creating a multi-class character in Baldur's Gate. It sounds like an awesome idea - "I can be a fighter, a thief and a mage?!" but unless you're very experienced, it ends up being unbalanced and you realise you should have just made a fighter instead, or at least just dual-class it.

Edited August 10, 2011 by MasterDex

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

I like the alcohol analogy more than the nerdy one. =p

[MasterDex]

I like the alcohol analogy more than the nerdy one. =p

 

But I'm playing Baldur's Gate again so I prefer that one!

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Are you also drinking whiskey?

[MasterDex]

Are you also drinking whiskey?

 

I wish I was! But no Just Baldur's Gate for now.

[deanb]

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/jgy4c/is_all_the_kotaku_hate_just_because_theyre_shitty

 

It's like some kind of Kotaku high school reunion.

[P4: Gritty Reboot]

I've stolen your joke and demand upboats for it!

[Pirandello]

Wow, a reunion thread!

 

Except I found reddit after I found Kotaku, so my username on reddit is completely different from Kotaku. I would wish it was the other way around, but then I wouldn't have found all you fantastic folks to converse, cajole, and discuss games with.

[toxicitizen]

Oh man, I briefly read through that reddit thread and followed a link to that Gizmodo article Joel wrote that's basically "Fuck you, commenters!".

 

I'm at a loss for words...

[FredEffinChopin]

I was floored myself. While I didn't read it in its entirety, I was going to start trying to put my observations and analysis into words that might help explain (mostly to me) what was going on in por Joel's thoroughly, successfully trolled head when he wrote that, but then I remembered what a waste of time Joel and Gawker are. It tickles me to think of how long he spent writing that and trying to make it sound intelligent, and how closely he probably watched the topic to see what kind of responses his best attempt at antagonism got. "Did anyone respect it?" He must've felt like a real maverick.

 

Fucking pathetic, gloriously so.

[P4: Gritty Reboot]

Joel's article was pretty jaw-dropping at the time. Didn't read Giz much myself, but still. It's the equivalent of a sign outside a car dealership that says "YOU ARE ALL MORONS PLEASE SHUT UP AND BUY THE CAR WE TELL YOU TOO."

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

Well in Joel's defence, most people are morons. However, it's not a good idea to say this to the morons when they're the ones paying your salary.