Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 POSTS MOVED FROM THIS THREAD I kinda like it. Looks less campy than the first three movies. On the other hand, it also looks more emo. Also: We have a thread for this! people still use the term "emo"? uggghhhh idk about this yet. there still isnt enough information. not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jimmeh Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Fine, the costume looks "scene" XD I think that's the new name for the depressed kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Fine, the costume looks "scene" XD I think that's the new name for the depressed kids "scene" is what people always misconstrued as "emo" in the first place. emo already existed as a genre of music before MTV-kids tried to attach it to stuff like MCR when in fact at the same time there were already "scene kids" listening to screamo, modern emo, post-hardcore, etc, with the look that got attributed to emo. from the beginning of the words mainstream usage, it's been wrong, and it still continues to be apparently. do you know what I call a depressed kid? a fucking teenager. honestly, this isn't anything new. in the 80s they listened to the cure. in the 90s it was nirvana. it's nothing new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hot Heart Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, unfortunately, no matter how you try and explain it, there are many labels (especially for music fans) that are inaccurate/generalisations and stick in the general consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I like how I got minused for being informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Thing is if I say to the average guy "Spiderman looks emo." They will know that I mean moody or sulky, with hair covering half his face. If I say he looks "scene" they will tell me I'm talking "crap". It's sorta like how everyone calls a portable music player an "iPod" these days. Yes, iPod refers to a very specific type of music player, which may in fact differ greatly from what they are trying to describe, but I pretty much get the gist of what they are referring to and I never lecture them about the difference between a "media player" and an "iPod", you never get any thanks for it. Besides which, he does look emo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showmeyomoves! Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Yeah, unfortunately, no matter how you try and explain it, there are many labels (especially for music fans) that are inaccurate/generalisations and stick in the general consciousness. Exactly. R&B is now used to describe any black pop music, but I don't hear anyone whining about it. Also, like T-Next said: He looks emo, no matter how you slice it. I'm very sorry if my use of "emo" as a negative offended you, Nihil Faiblesse. Edited January 14, 2011 by Showmeyomoves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 So you guys are saying that you should remain ignorant in spite of knowing that you are wrong because everyone else does it? That's the epitome of language laziness. Hasn't seen idiocracy? Not the greatest film but it shows what happens when people are that lazy and what happens with the English language because of it. Also, is the word "angst" not in anyone else's vocabulary? That's a lot more accurate (and not to mention, relevant to any time period and sounds better in conversation) word to use to describe his expression. It just comes off as rather shallow to me to call anything dark and moody "emo." Dostoyevsky is emo. ps: are you still confusing me with someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 shouldn't this include the post i was responding to? i'm not the one who brought up "emo" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 shouldn't this include the post i was responding to? i'm not the one who brought up "emo" You quoted him. So it does already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) It's got the quote from Smooves in your post. No one will think you're an emocentric, emomaniac. I miss when the forum used to warn me that I'd been beaten to the punch. Edited January 14, 2011 by Thursday Next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showmeyomoves! Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 So you guys are saying that you should remain ignorant in spite of knowing that you are wrong because everyone else does it? That's the epitome of language laziness. Hasn't seen idiocracy? Not the greatest film but it shows what happens when people are that lazy and what happens with the English language because of it. Also, is the word "angst" not in anyone else's vocabulary? That's a lot more accurate (and not to mention, relevant to any time period and sounds better in conversation) word to use to describe his expression. It just comes off as rather shallow to me to call anything dark and moody "emo." Dostoyevsky is emo. I wasn't wrong, so whatever point you're trying to make (assuming you have one) is moot. I'll concede that "angsty" would have worked too. "Emo" is the totally hip word to use, though. If it bothers you, just rest assured that it will probably be removed from everyone's daily vocabulary in about 3 years. ps: are you still confusing me with someone else? Yup. Get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, i like having room for my balls to breath. I also like looking like i might possibly have balls. No skinny jeans for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, i like having room for my balls to breath. I also like looking like i might possibly have balls. No skinny jeans for me. The hidden benefit to skinny jeans means that hipster men will be sterile and unable to pass their idiotic genes down to any future generations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) So you guys are saying that you should remain ignorant in spite of knowing that you are wrong because everyone else does it? That's the epitome of language laziness. Hasn't seen idiocracy? Not the greatest film but it shows what happens when people are that lazy and what happens with the English language because of it. It's an OK film, but you can't exactly use Idiocracy as evidence. Language has been evolving for centuries. Words pick up new meanings; that's just the way it goes. You can try and explain the origins to everyone you know, but you can't suddenly change how the average person perceives it. Same happens with genericised trademarks (ie. biro, kleenex). I, personally, don't use it, but if it offends you, I'm sure others would be willing to show more respect and not use it. But you'd have to show a bit of politeness back. ps: are you still confusing me with someone else? Are you still keeping that up? Seriously? Edited January 14, 2011 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshi Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 It's a general term now Nihil chan. Get over it and stop being a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 You know ive been watching a lot of South Park and they point out how a lot of people confuse emo with goth. I hate that. Ive secretly always wanted to be a goth and have hair like Robert Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 When I was in high school, emo hadn't quite been discovered yet. There were a few percent worth of goths. Mostly, I think goths didn't want to be confused with Vampire (the Masquerade) players, and rivetheads didn't want to be confused with goths - but no one knew who they were anyway so outside those niches, anyone conspicuously dark was "goth." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Goth was dead by the time I got to high school so the only people we had that wore all black were the numetalers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDex Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Wait...this whole emo and scene thing....call me ignorant but didn't referring to the "scene" spring from "emo". In otherwords, it's not the scene, but the emo scene shortened to simply the scene. A scene in musical terms refers to a subculture, it's not exclusive to a single subculture yet because the emo scene became so widespread among the younger generation in the early naughties, they started referring to it as simply the scene. Emo basically killed goth...once goths started getting mistaken for emos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Ugh, why did you revive this?! This scene is dead, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Wait...this whole emo and scene thing....call me ignorant but didn't referring to the "scene" spring from "emo". In otherwords, it's not the scene, but the emo scene shortened to simply the scene. A scene in musical terms refers to a subculture, it's not exclusive to a single subculture yet because the emo scene became so widespread among the younger generation in the early naughties, they started referring to it as simply the scene. Emo basically killed goth...once goths started getting mistaken for emos. Actually, people called it "scene" because emo was an incorrect label. Emo already happened in the early nineties. In the 2000s, it was called "scene" due to "scene kids." Basically, kids all about the image associated with many post-hardcore acts from the time. I have no idea how the "emo" label got involved. I guess it was the "emotional" subject matter (and honestly, when hasn't music been emotional?) about relationships and the makeup some of these people wore and the public image of always being depressed and wearing black. I mean honestly, it's not unbelievable to imagine just why some people confused goth kids and scene kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchikoma Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) While it was supposedly around in some forms since the 80s, I never even heard someone say "emo" until after 2000. I've tried to see what the musical distinction was, but "back in my day" we just called it rock, pop, or alt rock - though I can hear the pop punk influence in some of the major bands. I mean... Weezer? No one here called that emo in the 90s but apparently Pinkerton was "the most important emo album of the 90s." I don't know... I think the term was always kind of ambiguous because it defined things that were already defined. Then, but the time it got really big, I was out of any environment that would be saturated with it so maybe there's some hidden nuance to it I'm missing? It seems to be the clothes... Edited November 14, 2011 by fuchikoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Lol @ whomever jumped to that conclusion about Weezer. Listen to other post-emo from the time... it's nothing like that. Anyways, I've always disliked that article because it tries to combine every single thing that people have ever attached to the label to. They don't trace it musically or thematically, but simply through incorrect labels. So yes, you are right, it was simply rock, pop, and alt rock. Post-emo was always outside of that. There wasn't really anything mainstream. There's some rather large exlcusions from the article, actually all from the same crew. American Football and Cap'n Jazz. Two huge names in the post-emo genre. Cap'N Jazz in particular was about as "post" emo you could get before American Football took that sound to the area that Mineral and SDRE (who are in the article) did as well. FYI: The term "post-emo" or "midwest emo" is generally what is used to refer to mid-90s emo that dropped (most) of the hardcore punk elements that it originated with. Anyways, the nuance to something like "scene" would indeed be the clothes. "Scene" was used because it wasn't about the music and the variety of genres these "scene" kids listened to was high. It was post-hardcore, pop-punk, a tiny bit of emo/post-emo influenced bands, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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