Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Oh yeah, well they could make the games have an online security check requirement like PC games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Do they do that for retail boxes? Or do you have to call a phone number if you can't connect to the internet? I haven't bought anything but digital in years (since the orange box!) so I'm wondering how it works nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 That'll lose them a lot of sales though, I think. It's a lot more common for people to not have their consoles hooked up to the network than for people to not have their computer hooked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 That'll lose them a lot of sales though, I think. It's a lot more common for people to not have their consoles hooked up to the network than for people to not have their computer hooked up. Hmmm... wasn't that exactly what they said about Half-Life 2 though? That not everyone had an internet connection and they were gonna lose a lot of sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think that was always a silly assertion with the PC games though. By the time Half Life 2 was coming out, sure there were a lot of people without internet, but most PC gamers had internet access. Consoles, on the other hand, are more of a "casual" market than the PC, and so it's not so much that people don't have the internet at all as that they don't have their console hooked up. It's probably less of an issue with the PS3 though than it would be with the 360, since PS3 has built-in WiFi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Don't we have figures on how many xboxes are online? Hmmm... 30million XBL subscribers. Still not an overwhelming majority but definitely getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 And wasn't it something like 80-90% of PS3 owners are online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/13/study-ps3-has-highest-percentage-of-online-systems-in-u-s/ As of last April PS3 has 78% online, 360 has 73%. So it's not as low as I thought, but that 25% of users still isn't anything to sneeze at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 So yeah, you've got a good majority. I'd think you could probably make those numbers work in favor of killing the gray market. You just wait, it's coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 http: //www.joystiq.c...systems- in-u-s/ As of last April PS3 has 78% online, 360 has 73%. So it's not as low as I thought, but that 25% of users still isn't anything to sneeze at. When 25% adds up to millions it's definitely a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah, but you've got to think in terms of profits and ask yourself if you're going to make more money if you eliminate 25% of possible buyers or if you're going to make more money by killing all 2nd hand sales of your game. I'm going to guess the later. Also, I wonder what the software attach rate for those 25% of offline consoles is. I bet it's lower than the online consoles. Anyway, I bet the accounting guys could crunch those numbers and make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I was thinking in terms of user base actually. If the people who already own your hardware aren't going to buy games because they can't activate them... well those people are going to be quite pissed. I think the attachment rate would be something good to look at though as I would think that if you're online it's because you care enough about your console in the first place to set up an account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 They had the whole problem with people buying HL2 and not being able to play it or return it because of the internet connection thing. The conversation is very similar. I just think that if we're going by history it would indicate that publishers are going to induce controls and attempt to kill sales of used games. I don't see the PC backtracking on it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Lawnchair Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 also, why do people keep saying that piracry is worse on the XBox. The only way to pirate on the xbox that I'm aware of is through mod chips and mod chips aren't nearly the type of security breach we're talking about with the PS3... The xbox 360 does not have a mod chip right now, it has a custom frimware for the DVD. at most theres a chip that lets you switch frimwares on the fly so you cant get nailed by xbox. Microsoft is making a killing with pirates. they don't ban the XBL Account(unless you try to take down the whole system) but they ban the consoles. so a user can just buy/mod another console and play online again till the next dashupdate. basically their making their hardcore customers buy more than one console. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 http://kotaku.com/#!5765993/ps3-hacker-wants-your-money-to-fight-sony Wow. Just wow at those comments. Some people take brand loyalty to far. Ok you don't like the guy, but wishing he rotted in jail and gets raped? Fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I don't know about other industries, but I honestly hope gaming is the only one where publishers manipulate the masses to this extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Its not so much that they love sony, its that the guy comes off as a pathetic douchebag. Not only that, but if i get hurt in this with some new crazy drm tech iques or serial keys or shit like that, im holding him responsible. Thats my problem with the douchebag. The companies and hackers fight each other and the people get hurt. i dont get what the stance with most people is, but honestly: the majority of people dont care about homebrew. Just the minority of geeks. Fuck those guys. I bought my ps3 knowing what was intended for it. I just wanted to play ps3 and ps1 games on it. Thats it. I have nothing to do with this whole thing. I shouldnt have to deal with whatever is going to happen next. I bought a ps3 because i like what it does. If i wanted it to do other stuff, id stick with the pc. I dont get whats so difficult about that. Edited February 21, 2011 by Strangelove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Well, if people buy a piece of technology and want to modify it, why shouldn't they? Yes, he didn't have to modify the console, but neither do Sony have to screw over all costumers because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Its not so much that they love sony, its that the guy comes off as a pathetic douchebag. Not only that, but if i get hurt in this with some new crazy drm tech iques or serial keys or shit like that, im holding him responsible. Thats my problem with the douchebag. The companies and hackers fight each other and the people get hurt. i dont get what the stance with most people is, but honestly: the majority of people dont care about homebrew. Just the minority of geeks. Fuck those guys. I bought my ps3 knowing what was intended for it. I just wanted to play ps3 and ps1 games on it. Thats it. I have nothing to do with this whole thing. I shouldnt have to deal with whatever is going to happen next. I bought a ps3 because i like what it does. If i wanted it to do other stuff, id stick with the pc. I dont get whats so difficult about that. We were all getting jipped anyway by companies before this happened, with 'project 10 dollar' and 'activating multiplayer with a code' and of course charging us out the ass for map packs. My main point was really that people are crucifying this guy for doing this ONLY because Sony are suing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Nah I'm with StrangeLove, guy is also being an ass. I'm not for either of them. Recent legislation suggests Sony will probably lose (in fact old legislation would mean they'd lose over here before they even go into the court room), thing is the guy is being a dick. As some of the comments say he's not hacking the PS3 for some statement on owning products n open platforms n what not. Just doing it to get his face plastered out over the net. He got his taste of attention with the iPhone (which there's doubts he even did much with that) and the PS3 has let him maintain that 15 minutes of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 He is acting like an ass but no one deserves to be put in Jail for that. If I was in charge I'd put in Jail everyone who looked me crook eyed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Oh I'm not saying he should go in jail, in fact I'm saying I doubt Sony will be successful in their case. I just hate to think of him "winning" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Oh yeah, didn't think about that....I don't know, if Sony's case fails I don't really see it as him winning, just getting off the hook. If he counter-sued or something and got money from Sony then yeah I'd consider that winning and not a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33383/Report_Sony_Granted_Subpoenas_For_Hotz_Web_Provider_In_PS3_Jailbreaking_Case.php Seriously? They get to see the IP of anyone who visited Hotz's site, has him on Twitter or has seen/commented on his Youtube video? What the fuck, America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33383/Report_Sony_Granted_Subpoenas_For_Hotz_Web_Provider_In_PS3_Jailbreaking_Case.php Seriously? They get to see the IP of anyone who visited Hotz's site, has him on Twitter or has seen/commented on his Youtube video? What the fuck, America? Time for an interlocutory appeal... That's not America, that's one judge being retarded (or bamboozled by Sony). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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