Cyber Rat Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33383/Report_Sony_Granted_Subpoenas_For_Hotz_Web_Provider_In_PS3_Jailbreaking_Case.php Seriously? They get to see the IP of anyone who visited Hotz's site, has him on Twitter or has seen/commented on his Youtube video? What the fuck, America? Time for an interlocutory appeal... That's not America, that's one judge being retarded (or bamboozled by Sony). Yea, I know it's not "America" America, but I just find it awful how a court decision in the US affects citizens of the rest of the world, mostly people who don't really have anything to do with the jailbreak any more than people watching a news report from a war scene have anything to do with the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 A noted android developer / hacker, koush, was contacted by someone from Sony expressing interest in having him apply for a Software Engineer spot in their R&D department. He's turned them down, in support of Geohot. http://yfrog.com/h23i3ctj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Is it just me, or does the term "online rights" come off as superfluous? Like, "I've got my rights, and then I've got my online rights! Stick it to the man, online!" EDIT: Adds question mark and heads off to bed... Edited March 12, 2011 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 So I saw a thing on Joystiq that says Sony has locked the PS3 back up with a really simple solution: they've just stopped using the hardware encryption GeoHot hacked and have replaced it with more differenter encryption in their new firmware (obviously there was not much detail about the new encryption). So this sounds to me like everything released before the new firmware encryption is crackable, but games and stuff released after will require the new firmware which isn't cracked yet. And since it's an entirely new encryption scheme the hackers are basically starting from scratch on cracking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 That's actually a reasonable solution compared to the rumoured "PS3 games will get serial keys". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteer01 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) So I saw a thing on Joystiq that says Sony has locked the PS3 back up with a really simple solution: they've just stopped using the hardware encryption GeoHot hacked and have replaced it with more differenter encryption in their new firmware (obviously there was not much detail about the new encryption). Can you share the link? That sounds interesting to read about. I've been a bit out of the loop over the last few days, and couldn't find it in the recent Newsfeed. A noted android developer / hacker, koush, was contacted by someone from Sony expressing interest in having him apply for a Software Engineer spot in their R&D department. He's turned them down, in support of Geohot. http://yfrog.com/h23i3ctj That's very cool. Thanks for sharing that. Edited March 13, 2011 by peteer01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 There's not a lot of information in it, but here's the link: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/10/ps3-firmware-3-60-is-live-with-cloud-saves-oh-and-hacker-su/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 A noted android developer / hacker, koush, was contacted by someone from Sony expressing interest in having him apply for a Software Engineer spot in their R&D department. He's turned them down, in support of Geohot. http://twitter.com/ k...345951819993088 http://yfrog.com/h23i3ctj what a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'll say what I wanted to say last night, but for a far better reason I decided to get some rest so I could at least have my sentences be coherent. I highly doubt Sony, as a whole, was taken aback by what the guy said in his email. They reached out to him because they thought he could be of some use. It was an offered opportunity, not a desperate plea of salvation. They're just going to find someone else, no skin off their backs. Does he personally know Geohot? Has he been in contact with him, ever? Shook his hand and kissed his ass? I'm sorry, but denying yourself of such an amazing opportuniy because of a little e-pride over something that, what looks to be, a short-lived scurmish between a massive corporation and some ass is pathetic. I hope finacial trouble doesn't come his way, or really, would that little defense of another hacker been worth your life? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 What an idiot. That sounds like it could have been a sweet gig, maybe something that could have started his career in something worthwhile that could be rewarding in a personal and a financial level. Honor and pride are both such dickhead feelings, especially with shit like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I thought this wasn't the sort of thing you could fix with a firmware update? I thought that was what made it such a big deal? How'd they manage to pull that one off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'll say what I wanted to say last night, but for a far better reason I decided to get some rest so I could at least have my sentences be coherent. I highly doubt Sony, as a whole, was taken aback by what the guy said in his email. They reached out to him because they thought he could be of some use. It was an offered opportunity, not a desperate plea of salvation. They're just going to find someone else, no skin off their backs. Does he personally know Geohot? Has he been in contact with him, ever? Shook his hand and kissed his ass? I'm sorry, but denying yourself of such an amazing opportuniy because of a little e-pride over something that, what looks to be, a short-lived scurmish between a massive corporation and some ass is pathetic. I hope finacial trouble doesn't come his way, or really, would that little defense of another hacker been worth your life? oh yea, I didn't mean to make it sound like Sony was begging him to come aboard, apologies if I did. As for his stance, I can kind of see it; kind of not. Koush developes / codes / hacks android, having made the Clockworkmod Recovery and ROM Manager. I believe he's also done some work with CyanogenMod, as I found that tweet when Cyanogen RT'd it. The android device platform, especially for the CM Team, openness is quite important, especially when the manufacturer tries to lock it down for whatever reason. The console platform is slightly different, however. I agree with Geohot on his thoughts of "do you really own that console you bought," and why he does what he's doing. hacking, homebrew, and even cfw != piracy. But it's a short trip from one point to the next. Not to mention breaking the integrity of online gaming. Sony needs some control over the console to prevent modding and hacking of online play, as well as piracy. But that doesn't mean there should be some middle ground where homebrew, emulators, and custom can coexist on the platform with the manufacturer's intent. I really think Other OS was that middle ground, and Sony pulling that is really at the heart of the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Nah, you didn't make it out like that at all. I'm saying, for his response, it could only be considered a powerful retaliation/rejection if Sony was desperate for his abilities. No, instead this is like rejecting a job offer at Kraft because your favorite food product has been discontinued. "While I am grateful for your offer in a highly beneficial career opportunity, I stand by my opinion that discontinuing SpongeBob SquarePants Mac N Cheese was a severely fatal error." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I thought this wasn't the sort of thing you could fix with a firmware update? I thought that was what made it such a big deal? How'd they manage to pull that one off? The PS3 was using hardware encryption so you're correct that once that was cracked you couldn't fix it with a firmware update. So what Sony did was simply stop using hardware encryption in favor of software encryption. Since they're not using the hardware encryption anymore it doesn't matter that it's been cracked, it's just as if they never put it in the PS3 to begin with. Now that they're relying on software encryption, though, we'll probably see the same kind of cycle we've seen on the PSP: Sony releases new firmware with new encryption, people can't play new games until it's cracked, it is eventually cracked, so Sony releases new firmware... lather, rinse, repeat. Also, and I could be wrong about this because there's not much info, but I believe that the old firmwares and every game released so far that relies on the hardware encryption is totally and completely cracked forever, there's no way to fix it. As long as you don't update your firmware you'll still be able to play games that don't require the new firmware. It's only the stuff that will come out in the future that can be fixed. Again, I could be wrong about this though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) I thought this would probably be the better thread to discuss the topic, as it has been previously mentioned. Anyway, Mr. Hotz is away on vacation in South America. It at first seemed like he was fleeing the country, but he states otherwise. Though, this begs the question... if he has enough money to go to South America, then why ask for donations for a trial? Sure he doesn't want to let the trial "run his life," but it's still a very important aspect of said life. Oh, yeah, not to mention those "online rights." Is it possible he was fully aware there would be enough people who would literally pay his court expenses? More importantly, Sony has provided evidence that Hotz has been evading court authority, withholding evidence, and even has a PSN account. So, really, this isn't the time to be running off to a foreign country. Even if you're not hiding evidence, or something of the like, it looks very bad in a legal dispute. Again, I'm pretty much neutral on the topic, but I still stand by my position that the dude is an ass. Source: The Escapist EDIT: Oh, I see it was in the News Feed... Well, I guess we can comment on how we feel about these turn of events. So... Edited March 24, 2011 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 If something is in the news feed it's actually encouraged to pop it into threads if you find it interesting. Apparently he withheld the harddrive controllers, which is a pretty dick move cos without them the hardrives don't work. They're pretty unique to each hard drive. What part of you would think it's okay to dismantle the hardrives before handing them in? Unless you for some reason assume the folks running the case are total retards, then you're gonna get in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Stewart Kellar, Hotz's attorney, said Sony's claim that the drives were missing "integral components," concerned "stock controller cards, not the hard drives themselves," Kellar told IGN. "The neutral [party] subsequently had to explain to SCEA the form and function of hard drive controller cards. Those controller cards have since been provided to the neutral so the point is moot." maybe they are retards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Geohot Claims He's Never Heard of Sony Computer Entertainment of America ¬_¬ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Seriously? Alright, I'll be fine with Sony taking him down. I mean, you can only be so much of a jackass. That, and if you believe lying is justified for truth, than you are not an advocate of truth and merely a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 In this case: trolls trolling trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Oh you not heard? They're having "sporadic maintenance" on PSN and websites. aka Anonymous are currently targeting Sony over the Geohot case. Loving the logic behind this. "How dare you be mean to the general public and limit their access to products they bought. We'll teach you a lesson by cutting off the public's access to products they bought!" Thanks Anonymous. Next time you feel like helping me out... just don't. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Yeah, they're fine when they're hacking some dodgy lawyers server, but when they're crippling users access that aren't really involved with stuff it get's annoying. Also I should shunt this over to the other thread... So yeah links n stuff to this: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/05/hacker-group-anonymous-attacks-sony-and-psn/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/04/anonymous-attacks-sony-to-protest-ps3-hacker-lawsuit.ars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcSCUU4Fg9k There's more stuff if you google about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Oh my good god... what world do Anon live in? Was the "epic" soundtrack needed? Kind of took the edge off that I could see some sort of wicker basket in the corner of the screen, but I guess when you run an international organisation dedicated to the destruction of "Greedy Companies" (taking corporate personality a little far there) from your mum's house it's to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 The "epic trailer" music was just plain bad. Seriously, if you want to get a message across, just stick the image and add the computer voice. No music or "mad video editing skills". Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I just want this lawsuit to end, because it seems the further and further along this crap goes, the more and more ridiculous everything becomes. Now we have Anon, with skewed logic in tow, playing white knights to protect consumer rights by screwing around with the consumers' product. No Anon, what you're doing is not alike to Sony's position against George Hotz's work. See, everyone with a PlayStation 3 has access to PlayStation Network. It's a small, small, small group of those consumers that will want to do all kinds of hacking/homebrewing/modding to their console. So, the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many? Maybe if we were playing in some hypothetical moral dilemma, you might have a chance. No, you're acting like children and are only being supported by children. It disgusts me to see the "good vs. evil" mentality at work here. Reality check, this is "jackass vs. jackass" and nothing more. What good will come out of a bunch of greasy teenagers running into a Sony store and complaining to some employee? Sony isn't going to receive any bad publicity either. In fact, they [have and] will apologize for all your actions to the consumer and at least show concern for the consumers' condition. All you're doing is adding fuel to the lawsuit, and against the man (which you've never met and talked to) you so deeply so affection towards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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