RockyRan Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I just want this lawsuit to end, because it seems the further and further along this crap goes, the more and more ridiculous everything becomes. Now we have Anon, with skewed logic in tow, playing white knights to protect consumer rights by screwing around with the consumers' product. No Anon, what you're doing is not alike to Sony's position against George Hotz's work. See, everyone with a PlayStation 3 has access to PlayStation Network. It's a small, small, small group of those consumers that will want to do all kinds of hacking/homebrewing/modding to their console. So, the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many? Maybe if we were playing in some hypothetical moral dilemma, you might have a chance. No, you're acting like children and are only being supported by children. It disgusts me to see the "good vs. evil" mentality at work here. Reality check, this is "jackass vs. jackass" and nothing more. What good will come out of a bunch of greasy teenagers running into a Sony store and complaining to some employee? Sony isn't going to receive any bad publicity either. In fact, they [have and] will apologize for all your actions to the consumer and at least show concern for the consumers' condition. All you're doing is adding fuel to the lawsuit, and against the man (which you've never met and talked to) you so deeply so affection towards. Exactly my thoughts from top to bottom. The Anon crap is a misguided protest at its purest form. Did the idiots even think it through? How are they fighting for pro-consumer rights when their actions specifically harm the consumer? Furthermore, how in any way does this impact the Sony v. Hotz case at all? If anything, it proves Sony's point. Go after hackers and they get so pissy that other "hackers" (or rather, DDoS script kiddies, which I wouldn't exactly call a "hacker") do things that ARE actually illegal. Another thing, I really, truly wish some people would stop with the "good vs. evil" mentality (I'm talking in general. I'm not directing this at anyone specifically on this board). If you want some true lulz go to any comment section of any Ars Technica article that covers the Sony v. Hotz issue. Rampant, mutantly skewed logic left and right. Horrendous analogies trying to describe their viewpoints ("lulz if i buy a car and open teh hoodz but not without the express permission but with a land deed and if i have a herd of sheep stowed in mah trunk who iz sony to tell meh i cant?!?!?!"). Dozens of people loudly proclaiming they'll boycott any and all Sony products (with each and every new article on this issue, mind you. And this isn't just saying "I don't feel like supporting them anymore". I'm talking really obnoxious shit here). Cherrypicking shady actions from Sony's lawyers while conveniently forgetting or rationalizing shady actions from Hotz' side. And above all, a completely infantile viewpoint on "Good vs. Evil". To them, Sony is nothing short of Sauron and Hotz is nothing short of Jesus. I mean, it's like they're living in their own fairytale land over there. If you want lulz I highly suggest going there. But enough ranting about Ars commenters. My big beef is how the internet collectively decides to turn this into a black-and-white battle against "TEH EVIL FAESLESS CORPORATIONS". Because really, why even bother making rational arguments supporting your side when you can just paint the other side as an puppy-killing necromancer? It's just...GOD. Here's the thing. There's no "good", there's no "evil", there's no black and there's no white. Both Hotz' and Sony's lawyers have used some pretty underhanded tactics to stall or skew the court decision, because this is how the real world works. I mean, I'm not trying to do the usual "lulz all lawyerz be shadee", I'm just saying it's not like Hotz hasn't exactly been an angel this whole time. Lawsuits are always like this. Furthermore, there are both pros AND cons to either outcome for us the consumer. I still can't make up my mind with a rational decision to support Sony or Hotz, because they both bring their own pros and cons to me as a consumer. But that's just me. I definitely don't condone anyone who sides with either one. I respect people's opinions when they actually have good reasons but holy shit are a lot of people stupid. They just hear of Sony suing a hacker and instantly a Pavlovian hatred for "teh faesless corporashuns" kicks in. All logic and reasoning be damned, we MUST support the underdog no matter how sleazy he may be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 The anonymous attack is more than likely spurred on by Sony getting the IP's of folks who went to Hotz site. I have a feeling that DDOSing sites n services is only a part time thing for Anon members in their other spare time maybe they go about hacking their PS3's. So yeah, just a case of trying to not get their IP's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 It's likely being done by mostly people who don't mod their PS3s at all knowing 4chan. All they do is run a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Ya usually it's orbital strike ddos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Anon have decided to suspend attacks after realizing that claiming your fighting for consumer rights by fucking over the consumer is probably not the best idea. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-04-07-anonymous-suspends-psn-bombardment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Anon have decided to suspend attacks after realizing that claiming your fighting for consumer rights by fucking over the consumer is probably not the best idea. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-04-07-anonymous-suspends-psn-bombardment He can be taught! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 ? As in. It took Anon way too long to figure this out. (I know Anon is not technically a "he" it's a "they" but I wanted to preserve the original quote). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Ah, I thought you were referencing me, since yeah, Anon is a They. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Ah, I thought you were referencing me, since yeah, Anon is a They. You should of realised that by now I know you cannot be taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovach_ Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Anon have decided to suspend attacks after realizing that claiming your fighting for consumer rights by fucking over the consumer is probably not the best idea. http://www.eurogamer. ..psn-bombardment He can be taught! Hahahah, great one there, made me chuckle. PSN is still wonky tho, going on/off at somewhat regular intervals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Ah, I thought you were referencing me, since yeah, Anon is a They. You should of realised that by now I know you cannot be taught. That's why I was confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Good lord, it "only" took them what, 3 days to figure it out? And how long did it take all of us to figure out the same thing? This particular Anon is stupider than I gave them credit for (and I thought they were stupid in the first place). Hopefully their household runs out of Hot Pockets before they come up with another one of these "genius" tactics to "fight the man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 They settled out of court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 This is pretty much a win for Geohot I suppose? All he has to not do is not publish the homebrew anymore, despite the fact its all over the web anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 It's a nothing. Geohot had nothing to win since he was defendant, so he didn't lose (to a degree) and Sony didn't get to stick him in the slammer or set precedent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I think Sony, or those response for handling this lawsuit, came to accept that, "Crap, now we're just like the 360 and Wii. I have to say, four and a half years wasn't that bad. Ya think there's some development on a PS4?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Actually the 360 hasn't been cracked or even any attempt on it. It's pretty much the main proof that no one cracks consoles for homebrew. They found you can tweak the DVD drive for piracy and therefore no one bothered cracking the console itself, no need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) I was kinda referring to piracy, unless I'm mistaken and there was some piracy method to the PS3 before the "crack." I know there was that USB dongle-thing, but that quickly went the way of the dinosaurs after Sony caught wind. EDIT: Ugh, I've seen articles on the settlement, and the user comments make me so damn nauseous. Either people are praising Anonymous for "taking down" Sony, which doesn't add up chronologically, or they're in ecstasy about how Sony/Hotz won. I swear and I hope that the settlement also means that Hotz received a job with Sony now. All the nincompoops hollering for either to crumble to the ground will have to come to the reality that Sony and Hotz have, metaphorically, become one. I dunno, while I think Hotz is still a jackass, at least he has potentially screwed over his rabid following of children. Either way, in about a month this should all be water under the bridge. Edited April 11, 2011 by Atomsk88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Well, this ended sooner than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I swear and I hope that the settlement also means that Hotz received a job with Sony now. All the nincompoops hollering for either to crumble to the ground will have to come to the reality that Sony and Hotz have, metaphorically, become one. Is there a job that involves taking credit for other people's work? I can't imagine where he would fit in. Maybe in marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) I was kinda referring to piracy, unless I'm mistaken and there was some piracy method to the PS3 before the "crack." I know there was that USB dongle-thing, but that quickly went the way of the dinosaurs after Sony caught wind. EDIT: Ugh, I've seen articles on the settlement, and the user comments make me so damn nauseous. Either people are praising Anonymous for "taking down" Sony, which doesn't add up chronologically, or they're in ecstasy about how Sony/Hotz won. I swear and I hope that the settlement also means that Hotz received a job with Sony now. All the nincompoops hollering for either to crumble to the ground will have to come to the reality that Sony and Hotz have, metaphorically, become one. I dunno, while I think Hotz is still a jackass, at least he has potentially screwed over his rabid following of children. Either way, in about a month this should all be water under the bridge. I swear to god I hadn't facepalmed the way I did the past month or so reading the comments on various articles surrounding this issue. I don't know what it was about this lawsuit that just melted everyone's brains. Everyone talked in hyperbole, made the most idiotic analogies and just as often started to argue about the analogies themselves, wished death on Hotz and destruction of Sony. Even Anon's involvement was half-assed, largely inconsequential, and poorly thought out. For one, there's the disappointment that there's no verdict. I guess people don't know most lawsuits are settled rather than seen to the end, but in this case everyone wanted somebody to "die". I did kind of enjoy seeing all the people pretending how it was poised to be a historical suit, talking about "precedent" and "history in the making" but it kind of got sad afterward. People really started to have delusions here, especially Hotz' "rabid following of children" as you put it. It's like these people were living in an alternate reality where life is a perpetual made-for-TV adventure film with cackling twirly-mustache villains and dashing underdog heroes. I read the updates to the lawsuit and I only saw some company suing your typical basement-dwelling hacker. I really didn't see the need to elevate the whole situation into something far extraordinary than it already was, but eh. I guess said followers like to play like their personal concerns are of utmost importance, but Jesus they took the phrase "rose-tinted glasses" to a new level. I mean, of course this is a problem with the internet as a whole (considering people who you'd think would literally die defending their console of choice), but I saw this especially concentrated around this particular lawsuit. Glad to see it's all more or less worked itself out, and hey, nobody died and no corporations imploded Shinra-style. I guess life IS more boring than them vidya games, huh? I would stick around to find out how Hotz tries to explain the settlement to the people who donated to his lawsuit expenses, considering how he specifically went out of his way to specify exactly what he would demand if he were to reach a settlement (demands like the re-implementation of OtherOS and the availability to write as much homebrew as he and any other person desires) when he put up the donation page, but this whole thing has made me so sick from start to finish I don't think I can stomach another minute of this display. Edited April 12, 2011 by RockyRan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I swear and I hope that the settlement also means that Hotz received a job with Sony now. All the nincompoops hollering for either to crumble to the ground will have to come to the reality that Sony and Hotz have, metaphorically, become one. Is there a job that involves taking credit for other people's work? I can't imagine where he would fit in. Maybe in marketing. My guess? He'll be a tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 HAHAHAHA. Folks are turning on Geohot for settling. Just a flash back a month or so ago but he asked for donations for a legal battle. A legal battle that hasn't happened. And on top of that in part of his "promise" for donations he said if there was a settlement there were certain demands he'd make. None of those have been done (I don't know off the top of my head but I know that OtherOS getting restored was one of them) So advice for people who ask for several thousand dollars make sure you're going to keep your end of the bargain. Also don't go on holiday to south america. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 HAHAHAHA. Folks are turning on Geohot for settling. Just a flash back a month or so ago but he asked for donations for a legal battle. A legal battle that hasn't happened. And on top of that in part of his "promise" for donations he said if there was a settlement there were certain demands he'd make. None of those have been done (I don't know off the top of my head but I know that OtherOS getting restored was one of them) So advice for people who ask for several thousand dollars make sure you're going to keep your end of the bargain. Also don't go on holiday to south america. So advice for people who ask for several thousand dollars make sure you're going to keep your end of the bargain. Also don't Or go on holiday to south america permanently. Unless the only people you have upset are a bunch of whiny Linux fanboys, I mean, this isn't the ndrangheta we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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