SixTwoSixFour Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 So... a sequel to FFXIII! I had heard the whispers, but honestly, I figured they were a bunch of bullshit, so this catches me by complete surprise. How do you guys feel about this? Excited? Wary? Irritated? It seems like it will be a pretty divisive game.... Personally, I'm... wary, I guess. I tried really hard to like FFXIII, and I just couldn't stand it. I did, however like some of the characters- particularly Lightning and Sazh. Lightning is my favorite FF protagonist in a long time, and come to think of it, even one of my favorite JRPG protagonists. I usually don't like the protags, just some of their companions. If they make a lot of changes, if they realize what didn't work about FFXIII... this could be a fantastic game. On the other hand, if they ignore the public reception, and just run with how XIII was, this could be a horrible, horrible mistake. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I think my thoughts were summed up nicely in the destructoid article. "this is almost hardly surprising. Final Fantasy XIII-2 is now a thing, and I think I want to cry. More annoying Australian voice acting and endless repetition of awful sounding, made-up words, here we come!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Need I say more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I have zero interest in revisiting anything from FF13 - the world, the characters, the system, anything at all. So I'll only be interested in FFXIII-2 if it's a completely different game. Given that it's FFXII-2. I guess FFXIII sold well, so I'm not surprised it's getting a sequel. And given the myopia at Squenix of late, I doubt it will be much different from FFXIII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixTwoSixFour Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Such negativity! I mean, okay. FFXIII was bad. It was quite bad. But... hrm. This is gonna suck, isn't it...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Im excited. I wouldnt even mind if they changed the tone of the game like they did with ffx-2. I love ff as much as anyone, but people put the series on too high of a pedestal. I honestly dont understand why people care so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgetfulBrain Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) I mean, I was massively disappointed in XIII. I was sure it was going to be amazing, because I'd been looking forward to it for quite a while and had LOVED XII. But, it was a waste of $65. It was just dead boring and the characters were overly dramatic and void of any real personality (at least twelve hours in, at which point I decided I wasn't going to waste any more of my time hoping it somehow got better). If they actually listen to the feedback and somehow improve on all of the areas that XII was lacking, I will certainly give it a shot. But there's no way in hell I'm going to drop the full price on another Final Fantasy game until I have my faith restored (or they let the guy behind Tactics and XII get behind the wheel again). After XIII and XIV, SE looks to be in a bit of a rut with the series. Edited January 18, 2011 by TheForgetfulBrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Part me of think this game is just thrown together from parts of XIII that didn't make it into the first game. Eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I think my thoughts were summed up nicely in the destructoid article. "this is almost hardly surprising. Final Fantasy XIII-2 is now a thing, and I think I want to cry. More annoying Australian voice acting and endless repetition of awful sounding, made-up words, here we come!" Spoiler for end of XIII The Australians died to save Cocoon from smashing into the ground. Also I'm with Malicious. I think this is the stuff they cut to get it on DVD. But I guess we'll see. The bonus is the gameplay may be quite refined and I don't think the story can get much worse. Remember FFX was mostly linear like XIII and X-2 was the "go anywhere mission based" style. So maybe this time around it might be halfway decent. I guess we'll see how it goes. XIII was off-putting (whereas I like X quite a bit) so they're gonna have to work hard to recoup lost faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Get it on DVD? It was on multiple DVDs... Anyways, I might actually beat FF13 by the time this comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoStarr Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Series used JUMP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshi Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 As the sole person who actually enjoyed XIII in its entirety, I can say I will probably buy it and enjoy it. Now to copy paste. I feel RPG fans are being ridiculous towards Final Fantasy XII and XIII. First, you want a wider more open world, which XII gave you. However, you complain about it, and want a more closed in environment. Then XIII comes out and you get all pissy about it. Fucking impossible to please. Everyone also complains about the battle system because it's different, but it doesn't make it a bad thing. I found the Paradigm system to be fluid and interesting... though I still like the ATB system of old. XII's gambit system isn't bad either, but I think people just want to complain. Then there's the character complaints. Want to complain about FFXIII's characters? I mean, Cloud is a fan favorite and Lightning is essentially just a female equivalent. Hope is a whiny bitch? So were like 20 other people in the last 5-6 games. However, you loved those games. It's irritating to constantly read it on Kotaku and other gaming sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Youre all fucking hypocrites. End discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I feel RPG fans are being ridiculous towards Final Fantasy XII and XIII. First, you want a wider more open world, which XII gave you. However, you complain about it, and want a more closed in environment. Then XIII comes out and you get all pissy about it. Fucking impossible to please. Actually there's a fair few of us here that have shown a liking of FFXII. So it does make sense we'd like XII n dislike XIII on that matter. I mean, Cloud is a fan favorite and Lightning is essentially just a female equivalent. Hope is a whiny bitch? So were like 20 other people in the last 5-6 games. However, you loved those games. It's irritating to constantly read it on Kotaku and other gaming sites. concerning Cloud as a fan fave, may also want to check the Cloud thread. Not all of us treat him kindly. Also only the last few games are voiced so Hope has that disadvantage. And if memory serves it was really only Tidus that was whiny in recent memory. Vaan was annoying but no one on XII was whiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshi Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm not saying that it's just here, but like a general consensus. People love Cloud, but hate Lightning though she's just a rehash of him. Hope is an emo brat with issues about letting go. So's Locke and Squall, and yet they manage to stave off hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudkip3DS Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 "So, Square, when do you suppose we're going to see Final Fantasy Versus XIII come out?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeniorPuffyPants Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Was XIII bad as X's English voice acting? I'm thinking of getting XII and a ps3. That's if i ever get a new tv in my room Edited January 18, 2011 by SeniorPuffyPants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 It's not nearly as embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I mean, I was massively disappointed in XIII. I was sure it was going to be amazing, because I'd been looking forward to it for quite a while and had LOVED XII. But, it was a waste of $65. Well you should've done what my fiancee did and bought it at $20. She said she'd have been disappointed at $60 but $20 was its sweet spot. So maybe rent 13-2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixTwoSixFour Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 As the sole person who actually enjoyed XIII in its entirety, I can say I will probably buy it and enjoy it. Now to copy paste.I feel RPG fans are being ridiculous towards Final Fantasy XII and XIII. First, you want a wider more open world, which XII gave you. However, you complain about it, and want a more closed in environment. Then XIII comes out and you get all pissy about it. Fucking impossible to please. Everyone also complains about the battle system because it's different, but it doesn't make it a bad thing. I found the Paradigm system to be fluid and interesting... though I still like the ATB system of old. XII's gambit system isn't bad either, but I think people just want to complain.Then there's the character complaints. Want to complain about FFXIII's characters? I mean, Cloud is a fan favorite and Lightning is essentially just a female equivalent. Hope is a whiny bitch? So were like 20 other people in the last 5-6 games. However, you loved those games. It's irritating to constantly read it on Kotaku and other gaming sites. I'm afraid I really can't agree with this assessment, Toshi. I have never heard ANYONE complain about XII being open world, for one. Two, I thought the battle system was interesting, but I thought XIII's was better, actually. Not sure which battle system I like best out of all the FFs, but it's either X-2 or XIII. Character wise, I loved Lightning... but Hope? Hope was NOT like other characters. There were NOT characters that spent the entire time bitching about how they shouldn't even be there. He gets better, later on, but it takes hours and hours for that to happen. There are characters in FF's history that feel like they're being dragged into things, but at least they do something other than squeal about it. And though most of XII's characters were quite likable, fucking Vaan was obnoxious as shit. Youre all fucking hypocrites. End discussion. Take a chill pill, son. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Negro please. And seriously, ff12 was too big. Huge towns brimming with people and huge ass empty repetitive dungeons, yet really no interactivity whatsoever. It was just for show. It was so boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Things I liked about 13: Lightning. She was a strong character with a clear sense of purpose, also, eye-candy. The battle system. I liked that each of the characters had strengths and weaknesses so that there was always an optimum team for a given battle or style of play. I also liked that the system was flexible enough that if you went in with a sub-optimal team everyone was a jack of all trades so you could muddle through. The paradigm system let battles flow quickly without ever making me feel overwhelmed. Continues. As a counter to one of the things I didn't like, I did appreciate that dying did not obliterate your last 5 hours of unsaved gameplay with retry option. Gran Pulse. Seriously, that place was amazing. After being cooped up in corridors for so long, being able to roam free on the plains, see all the creatures out in the wild, it was awesome. Even more so when I got to a point where I could take down all the major threats without a worry. Things I didn't like: Hope. Say no more. I hated that when your "main" died it was game over. Especially when the other two characters were still going strong, and especially when the boss would target your main and constantly spam death. No towns. I missed being able to interact with people to do little quests and such. That there was only one such quest (that robot dude thing) in FFXIII was a disappointment. I do like monster hunts though. Things I hope will happen in FFXIII-2. Tweak the battle system, keep it largely the same, but remove the main dying = game over thing. Do something to make the armour / weapon upgrading make sense. I couldn't make head nor tails of it so I didn't upgrade anything until after I beat the game. Include towns. Make it an open world. Hopefully setting it on Gran Pulse will fix this. They can have towns in the locations that were available in FFXIII populated by Cocoonians. No jpop. Please. I don't need Lightning to be some sort of Idol on a quest to sell records or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'm not saying that it's just here, but like a general consensus. People love Cloud, but hate Lightning though she's just a rehash of him. Hope is an emo brat with issues about letting go. So's Locke and Squall, and yet they manage to stave off hate. The real crime of FF13 was, I suppose, subjecting players to 40 hours of the worst tropes and foibles of teh series as a whole. Locke was tolerable because, in the scheme of things, he didn't actually have that much to say. Hope speaks during the awful and nonsensical forest level with Lightning more than Locke does in the entirety of FFVI, but manages to actually say less and is far and away more grating than Locke. Squall is a bitch, though, too, I totally agree. Hope actually manages to be more annoying than Squall, though, for much the same reason Hope is more annoying than Locke. It's easy, however, to rail against the hypocrisies of aggregate opinion. And doing so will not convince anyone that FFXIII is a good game if the game itself hasn't. It's okay to like bad games; there are a bunch of bad games I enjoy tremendously. FFXIII was just an insultingly stupid grind for me, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slithy toves Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 i'm actually pretty excited about this. i think they've really set themselves up to fix a lot of the stuff that was kind of annoying about XIII. the ending of the game already sets you up to start making towns in a larger, more flexible environment. there are characters that are already developed but a lot of room, and sensible reasons, to add additional characters. when i finished XIII i actually thought the game would have been better had you had an epilogue type section w/ which to finish all the sidequests w/ because it would have fit w/ the ending perfectly and maybe made it more interesting than just going back and grinding. they better fix the weapon upgrading system, though. that was my main complaint w/ the game. it was just stupid and unnecessarily not even difficult per se but just obnoxious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuam4n Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) I don't mind this per se; but Lightning looks utterly ridiculous in that armor it showed her in for XIII-2. Oh, and Gran Pulse was lame; really. It was huge, but most of it was just a giant open field with some of the worst textures ever. Quite bland once the "oooohhhh, new" effect wore off. Edited January 19, 2011 by Iamaquaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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