Toshi Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU2BWwfby0E 2nd trailer yo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 A moogle? I don't think I have seen one since... IX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Guys, I'd like to inject a healthy dose of optimism into this discussion: Final Fantasy does something different with every new numbered installment. Nobody likes every main FF, and every main FF is somebody's favorite. FF XIII is no different, but the ratios came out a little bit skewed. More folks didn't like it than usual. FF XIII was a unique game, and unlike anything else. Every main FF is like this. This is why the series is special. This series still hasn't lost the inspiration to chase after a new muse every few years. Square-Enix released two main FF games in two consecutive years. FF XIV was similar to FF XIII in the ratios - not enough people liked it. All right, enough bullet points, here's the meat of the discussion. When FF XIV came out to terrible reviews and lukewarm (if that) reception, Square-Enix made some key decisions. They pulled the director of FF XI out of his current projects and told him to even the keel. I don't know if anyone here has followed the development of FF XIV since launch, but Square-Enix has done a lot of things right. They've listened to the players, they've kept it free, and they've ironed out all of the biggest kinks in a timely manner. They've been transparent and they've kept to their schedule. If the current FF XIV had launched six months ago (or whenever it launched) reviewers would have been singing quite a different tune. My buddies who play say that it's developed into quite the experience, and the potential buried within the original design has gotten a second chance to shine through. What does this have to do with FF XIII-2? Everything. From FF XIV, we see how Square-Enix reacts to negative reactions. They don't retreat, they fix it. The Final Fantasy brand name is of inestimable value, and they know it. Square-Enix isn't going to let this franchise become Sonic the Hedgehog. They have shown that they are dedicated to getting it right. You know what? I think Square is going to blow this one out of the fucking park. They are going to listen to the consistent complaints about FF XIII and turn them into strengths. You want profound character development? You've got it. You want more freedom to move around the world? You've got it. You want a weapon upgrade system that makes an ounce of sense? Well... no promises on that one. It'll be different at least. I am hugely excited for this game. This is important. We know it, and the developer knows it. I expect great things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMW Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Bonus Post: Wanna know why so many staff members from the FF XIII team left Square Enix? It's because Nomura walked in and said Nomura: "Great job guys! We sold tons of copies of our game! A sequel is a go!" Programmer 1: "All right! We can re-use our assets and make a game with half the effort!" Nomura: "...re-use assets? ... That's a joke, right? Here, let me show you something" (he takes a folder of concept art out from behind his back) "all new outfits, every character. And Lightning is going to be wearing a skirt made of feathers" Programmer 2: "Ha! That's pretty good, I almost believed you for a moment there. A feather skirt? Really? The things you come up with sometimes..." (Nomura is staring at the two men with an evil eye) "I mean every word. I want you to render the protagonist of our game wearing a skirt made out of feathers. Every motion, animation, and breeze must be reflected. I expect visual fidelity exceeding FF XIII as well - a sequel must be improved over the original!" http://ca.kotaku.com/5778294/is-making-final-fantasy-a-nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshi Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 FF XIII-2 is like that second shit you gotta take when, about 20 minutes after a big dump, you discover there's more shit hiding out in your colon. I am not optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Exactly, there's no pleasing everyone. You should read some of the comments on finalfantasyforums.net, now granted they're mostly all European teenagers, but still, there's no pleasing them. The only Final Fantasy I'd say is not good, would be II, as there was a lot of things broken about that game, somethings have been fixed in various re-releases but it's still hard to play. There's other games I don't like but that's all personal preferences. Final Fantasy fans seem to mix up their opinions with facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathorian Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Exactly, there's no pleasing everyone. You should read some of the comments on finalfantasyforums.net, now granted they're mostly all European teenagers, but still, there's no pleasing them. The only Final Fantasy I'd say is not good, would be II, as there was a lot of things broken about that game, somethings have been fixed in various re-releases but it's still hard to play. There's other games I don't like but that's all personal preferences. Final Fantasy fans seem to mix up their opinions with facts. This is a dangerous mindset to take. There is always a happy medium between two extremes. You can't say that people hated FF12's big world (I actually do not recall ever hearing this) And say that Square's only alternative to this was remove all towns, and cramp up the entire game. No product out there can ever made everybody happy, what you should shoot for, is to keep improving though. And FF13 was NOT an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathorian Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Here's the thing, I loved FF12's world, and I loved Gambits. But even if I didn't, how does cramping the whole world into a tiny corridor, taking out every shred of towns, and making an x-button mash-a-thom cater to those who didn't like FF12? That's like saying that people who didn't like the giant steroid abusers that were the Gears of War 2 characters would be satisfied with a tiny dainty little squealing 16 year old. We have to find happy mediums people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I don't like happy mediums people. They think they can talk to ghosts or something. I like shiny happy people (holding hands). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Exactly, there's no pleasing everyone. You should read some of the comments on finalfantasyforums.net, now granted they're mostly all European teenagers, but still, there's no pleasing them. The only Final Fantasy I'd say is not good, would be II, as there was a lot of things broken about that game, somethings have been fixed in various re-releases but it's still hard to play. There's other games I don't like but that's all personal preferences. Final Fantasy fans seem to mix up their opinions with facts. This is a dangerous mindset to take. There is always a happy medium between two extremes. You can't say that people hated FF12's big world (I actually do not recall ever hearing this) And say that Square's only alternative to this was remove all towns, and cramp up the entire game. No product out there can ever made everybody happy, what you should shoot for, is to keep improving though. And FF13 was NOT an improvement. Exactly. I've never really understood the whole "people complain about EVERYTHING" mindset. The FF series is played by a very large amount of people, no? That means that there are millions of players with different tastes and things that they each want, no? It's not reasonable to think that response has to be UNIVERSALLY positive just because Squeenix has gone from one polar extreme of the gameplay spectrum to the other. There's a whole bunch of people who like FFXII, and there's a whole bunch of people who liked FFXIII. It boggles the mind that some people think that NOT thinking like collective sheeple is somehow "bad". Popular series always have whiners. Doesn't mean that the people who whine about one thing are exactly the same people who are whining about another. And even if they were, what's the harm, really? So people wanted more linearity after FFXII, doesn't mean they are suddenly obligated to like it when Squeenix then releases what seems to them is a glorified hallway simulator. Edited July 12, 2011 by RockyRan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathorian Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Exactly, there's no pleasing everyone. You should read some of the comments on finalfantasyforums.net, now granted they're mostly all European teenagers, but still, there's no pleasing them. The only Final Fantasy I'd say is not good, would be II, as there was a lot of things broken about that game, somethings have been fixed in various re-releases but it's still hard to play. There's other games I don't like but that's all personal preferences. Final Fantasy fans seem to mix up their opinions with facts. This is a dangerous mindset to take. There is always a happy medium between two extremes. You can't say that people hated FF12's big world (I actually do not recall ever hearing this) And say that Square's only alternative to this was remove all towns, and cramp up the entire game. No product out there can ever made everybody happy, what you should shoot for, is to keep improving though. And FF13 was NOT an improvement. Exactly. I've never really understood the whole "people complain about EVERYTHING" mindset. The FF series is played by a very large amount of people, no? That means that there are millions of players with different tastes and things that they each want, no? It's not reasonable to think that response has to be UNIVERSALLY positive just because Squeenix has gone from one polar extreme of the gameplay spectrum to the other. There's a whole bunch of people who like FFXII, and there's a whole bunch of people who liked FFXIII. It boggles the mind that some people think that NOT thinking like collective sheeple is somehow "bad". Popular series always have whiners. Doesn't mean that the people who whine about one thing are exactly the same people who are whining about another. And even if they were, what's the harm, really? So people wanted more linearity after FFXII, doesn't mean they are suddenly obligated to like it when Squeenix then releases what seems to them is a glorified hallway simulator. I love this whole post. Especially this line: "Doesn't mean that the people who whine about one thing are exactly the same people who are whining about another." Everyone needs to know, and understand that concept. You hear something like this alot: "Oh you didn't like the FF13 characters, well at least its better than a bunch of steroid pumping, bald space marines!" As if that somehow justifies bad character design. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagathorian Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 FMW, you forget one thing: FF fans can never be pleased. Ever. You want an open world? New form of combat? FFXII happened and the world was too big and gambits pissed them off. More closed world with another fluid combat? FFXIII was made and now it's too closed has no towns, and god I want menu based battles Key point: Toshi hates most other FF fans for complaining like assholes Exactly, there's no pleasing everyone. You should read some of the comments on finalfantasyforums.net, now granted they're mostly all European teenagers, but still, there's no pleasing them. The only Final Fantasy I'd say is not good, would be II, as there was a lot of things broken about that game, somethings have been fixed in various re-releases but it's still hard to play. There's other games I don't like but that's all personal preferences. Final Fantasy fans seem to mix up their opinions with facts. This is a dangerous mindset to take. There is always a happy medium between two extremes. You can't say that people hated FF12's big world (I actually do not recall ever hearing this) And say that Square's only alternative to this was remove all towns, and cramp up the entire game. No product out there can ever made everybody happy, what you should shoot for, is to keep improving though. And FF13 was NOT an improvement. Exactly. I've never really understood the whole "people complain about EVERYTHING" mindset. The FF series is played by a very large amount of people, no? That means that there are millions of players with different tastes and things that they each want, no? It's not reasonable to think that response has to be UNIVERSALLY positive just because Squeenix has gone from one polar extreme of the gameplay spectrum to the other. There's a whole bunch of people who like FFXII, and there's a whole bunch of people who liked FFXIII. It boggles the mind that some people think that NOT thinking like collective sheeple is somehow "bad". Popular series always have whiners. Doesn't mean that the people who whine about one thing are exactly the same people who are whining about another. And even if they were, what's the harm, really? So people wanted more linearity after FFXII, doesn't mean they are suddenly obligated to like it when Squeenix then releases what seems to them is a glorified hallway simulator. I love this whole post. Especially this line: "Doesn't mean that the people who whine about one thing are exactly the same people who are whining about another." Everyone needs to know, and understand that concept. You hear something like this alot: "Oh you didn't like the FF13 characters, well at least its better than a bunch of steroid pumping, bald space marines!" As if that somehow justifies bad character design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Why don't you marry the post already? Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyit Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 No idea what to think of FFXIII-2, on one hand I was a bit disappointed with FFXIII and feel they can only go up from here, on the other the new trailers and gameplay footage constantly focus on Vanille and a new character. Im not a huge fan of Vanille and thought the game would focus on Lightning which doesn't necessarily seem the case. I'm not entirely sure what I want out of this universe anymore, it feels like it was designed from the ground up to suite the story and gameplay style of FFXIII, I'm not so sure I want to explore that universe anymore considering that it all felt disjointed in the last game. Unless there's a large overhaul I doubt it will do it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Serah, not Vanille. The focus is on Lightning's sister Serah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyit Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 my mistake i mix those two names up. yeah I know it's the sister... still not much a fan of her but if she's a stronger character in the sequel I might just bite, she was very meek in the main game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I only point it out because squeaky Vanille was rather irritating. Serah spent most of the game being groomed by Snow in cutscenes or as a crystal, so didn't really have as much impact on me. Still, I'm hoping for a good game based on the fact that X-2 had the besterest combat system ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Square Enix is offering exclusive incentives for players who preorder FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 at the following retail outlets: GameStop® – Alternate costume for Serah, visible throughout the game Amazon® – Omega Boss Battle – Unique coliseum battle against boss enemy “Omega,” who joins the player’s party afterward Best Buy® – Collectible Hardcover Book – FINAL FANTASY XIII –Episode i– novella, an original story that ties together the events of FINAL FANTASY XIII and FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 These preorder initiatives are for North America exclusively and may not reflect preorder content available in other territories. You only get the Omega boss-fight if you pre-order. From a single retailer. In one territory. Well fuck you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Id like to see some screenshots of the costume and omega and some pics of the novella. That being said, the omega battle wins for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 A tad off topic, but... I hate Pre-order bonuses. At least with Project $10/online pass I can understand the idea, make money on used game sales, not agreeable, but still its understandable. Pre-order bonuses are only in the interest of the store, so the store can bank some, if not all, money beforehand. Its just dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enervation Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Square Enix is offering exclusive incentives for players who preorder FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 at the following retail outlets: GameStop® – Alternate costume for Serah, visible throughout the game Amazon® – Omega Boss Battle – Unique coliseum battle against boss enemy “Omega,” who joins the player’s party afterward Best Buy® – Collectible Hardcover Book – FINAL FANTASY XIII –Episode i– novella, an original story that ties together the events of FINAL FANTASY XIII and FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 These preorder initiatives are for North America exclusively and may not reflect preorder content available in other territories. You only get the Omega boss-fight if you pre-order. From a single retailer. In one territory. Well fuck you. Well, at least it's Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, at least it's Amazon. .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Wow. Isn't this sort of preorder bonuses the ones we were afraid of popping up? Sure they can offer them for download later for a fee but yeah... imagine if they don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 That is just the wrong way to do DLC. Christ this is stupid. Just do project 10 dollar or some shit, don't fucking gut the game because you want to give preorder bonuses to every single shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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