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The Dark Knight Rises and other Bat-Topics


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Turns out Gordon-Levitt will not be playing Alberto Falcone, and I wasn't even aware Marion Cotillard was going to be in the film. Inception cast overload...now I won't be able to suspend my disbelief. :P

 

http://collider.com/dark-knight-rises-marion-cotillard-joseph-gordon-levitt-roles/86714/

Interesting, I don't know whether to be disappointed because I like The Long Halloween or happy because I won't already know the Holiday twist.

 

In quasi-related news, I just spotted this over at /film: http://www.slashfilm.com/animated-batman-year-one-key-voice-cast-announced/

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I wonder if they'll call it a cartoon.

(Inter-threadual reference :sherlock: )

 

I'd imagine they keep the prostitution in but not explicitly announce it as such. I actually hope they make her a prostitute in The Dark Knight Rises, I think it would help get rid of the stigma of the Halle Berry film, and it certainly fulfils the grittiness quota. Besides after the non-fulfilment of the love interests in the first two films, it would be nice to have an overtly sexual character to mess with Bruce's head.

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Hehe, oh well, guess I'll see soon enough.

 

Just finished issue 8 and am currently debating whether I should go to bed or just read the last 5 issues.

 

 

edit: Hahaha, oh man, in retrospect, I'm actually glad I read the spoiler.

It made the final reveal that much more surprising and awesome.

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edit: Hahaha, oh man, in retrospect, I'm actually glad I read the spoiler.

It made the final reveal that much more surprising and awesome.

Everything_went_better_than_expected.png

 

 

My friend actually hated the reveal because there was no way you could guess it. I can see where he's coming from but, obviously, he's never read/seen a film noir before.

 

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Hahaha yeah, the half-true thing almost sounded as if he was lying to do some damage control, so I was unsure what to make of it.

 

Though it did give me the idea that

there was more than one Holiday. But in the end I was so concentrated on how the Falcone reveal was going to happen (after all, he had supposedly died) that I stopped thinking about it

 

 

Oh, and I was wondering, is this the definitive origin story for

Two-Face?

 

Or are there other versions of it? I really like the character, so if there are others I'd like to know what they are so I can read them.

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Anne Hathaway as Catwoman is ass, IMO. Then again, I've never really liked Anne Hathaway at all.

 

Don't even know why Nolan wants Catwoman. That villain was already made awesome (Michelle Pfeiffer) and completely destroyed (Hally Berry). Especially with Anne Hathaway I don't see how this rendition will be anything more than a "better than Berry, worse than Pfeiffer" type deal. I would've rather had Nolan explore a different villain not already done to death.

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Anne Hathaway as Catwoman is ass, IMO. Then again, I've never really liked Anne Hathaway at all.

 

Don't even know why Nolan wants Catwoman. That villain was already made awesome (Michelle Pfeiffer) and completely destroyed (Hally Berry). Especially with Anne Hathaway I don't see how this rendition will be anything more than a "better than Berry, worse than Pfeiffer" type deal. I would've rather had Nolan explore a different villain not already done to death.

Catwoman doesn't necessarily act as a villain, and I doubt she'll be anywhere malicious in Dark Knight Rises. She's more of a rogue/antihero that causes trouble for Batman, not endangering the citizens of Gotham. At times she assists Batman if their goal is of similar interest, and in some cases there is a strong underlining relationship.

 

Besides, I think Catwoman in this movie is introduced because of how Gotham has turned on Batman for the "murder" of Harvey. Catwoman comes in because of the discontent associated with the once praised Dark Knight.

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Don't think I've ever seen anything Anne Hathaway has been in, but I've heard she's good.

 

Thing is, same could've been said about Heath Ledger. I was doubtful of him, and how was he going to better Jack Nicholson? 'I would've rather had Nolan explore a different villain not already done to death.'

 

And look what happened there. Ledger totally stole the show. Nolan could probably cast Miley Cyrus and people would still be optimistic.

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Thing is, same could've been said about Heath Ledger. I was doubtful of him, and how was he going to better Jack Nicholson?

I completely agree with the first part. When I first heard about Ledger's casting, I was underwhelmed, to say the least. And see how that turned out.

Nolan has definitely earned himself some blind trust at this point.

 

Though my apprehension at Ledger's casting had nothing to do with "living up to Nicholson". I don't want to say his take on the character was ass... but once I familiarized myself with the real Joker, I stopped liking Nicholson's version. There is just way too much scenery chewing going on in that performance.

He managed to take a character that is basically a clown, and turn it into a caricature.

 

I still love Burton's Bat-movies a lot. They're just not in the same league as the Nolanverse.

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I haven't read it, but Grant Morrison's graphic novel Arkham Asylum gives the explanation of "super-sanity." To copy-paste from a wiki:

 

Grant Morrison's graphic novel Arkham Asylum suggests that the Joker's mental state is in fact a previously unprecedented form of "super-sanity," a form of ultra-sensory perception. It also suggests that he has no true personality of his own, that on any given day he can be a harmless clown or a vicious killer, depending on which would benefit him the most (thus explaining the two very different interpretations of the character that have developed over the decades; see below).

 

I'm not fluent in everything in the DC Universe, but basically it justified all the characterizations of the Joker. I mean, because he's completely unstable to the point the Joker himself can't understand... himself, it kind of brings sense to how he could behave so radically through the course of his criminal lifetime. While he may be self-aware of what is around him in a heighten ability, his own mind can't grasp who he is.

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Can't wait for this movie, the cast does have me a little worried as does the general notion that the third movie in nearly any movie franchise has for the most part always been shit. I can think of very few third movies that have been good but can think of many that have either been bad or not up to the standards of the intial films.

The movies that come to mind: Alien 3, Spider-Man 3, Godfather Part 3, X-Men 3, Terminator 3... I guess not having the #3 in the title might be a good decision.

 

What has me worried about the cast is how large it's gotten, but knowing Nolan he should be able to handle it well, he has in the past especially when you consider that some of these pedigree actors might only be used for much smaller roles than we might think (Ken Watanabe in Batman Begins anyone?). I'd have rather skipped Cat Woman because regardless how well Nolan might make her she's not anywhere near as interesting as the Joker and the movie might be better off without her taking up time. Again we'll see next year I want Nolan to prove me wrong.

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I'd have rather skipped Cat Woman because regardless how well Nolan might make her she's not anywhere near as interesting as the Joker and the movie might be better off without her taking up time. Again we'll see next year I want Nolan to prove me wrong.

Personally I think the implications of throwing a sexually-charged criminal love interest into the mix have a lot of potential. Sure, as an individual character she's not quite as interesting as the joker - few characters are ever going to be as interesting as a utterly deranged criminal genius - but the relationship between Catwoman and Batman is more interesting than the Joker/Batman relationship (at least at the beginning, before Batman starts feeling responsible for Joker's crimes) because it challenges Batman's black and white view of morality.

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Hmm interesting way of looking at it, if done well then yes it will definitely be a much more interesting love interest than Rachel Dawes or Vicki Vale. It's simply me not caring for love interests. Alas the movie has to have one and catwoman is the best choice (except for maybe Talia although she's again pretty narrow in scope.)

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I totally agree that the previous love interest were completely uninteresting and superfluous to the story. With Catwoman though I'm hoping she will actually be used to fuck with Bruce's head, thereby having a significant impact on the events of the story. Of course it's all very well saying what I hope for, she could just be another boring superfluous romance plot tacked on for the sake of having a love interest. :/ We'll see.

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