Strangelove Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 They really could have made two films with this script. I wish they had. Or I at least hope we get an extended cut with extra stuff in it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 In regards with the suggestions that the movie didn't need Fox and Gordon... If they hadn't shown up at all, a lot of people would have been annoyed by it. I would have been annoyed by it! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 The film needed more Fox. Though... "We may be having some financial difficulties at Wayne Enterprises but look at this sweet-ass hoverplane I've been working on just in case you decide to be Batman again!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielpholt Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Because your invested in those characters. They don't give anything to the story aside from the odd moment here and there. I like seeing them on film, but I feel like they were wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 The film needed more Fox. Though... "We may be having some financial difficulties at Wayne Enterprises but look at this sweet-ass hoverplane I've been working on just in case you decide to be Batman again!" Didn't he specify that that had been developed under a contract for the military, like the tumbler? The contract got cancelled and they still had some prototypes sitting around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Because your invested in those characters. They don't give anything to the story aside from the odd moment here and there. I like seeing them on film, but I feel like they were wasted. If they don't add anything it's because of the shortcomings in the writing. Gordon is pretty integral anyway but Fox was underused. Matthew Modine's character (see, can't even remember the guy's name) was almost pointless until Gordon has to harrass him into making a stand. At first, he's nothing more than an exposition dump. And, honestly, Ethan, I couldn't remember. Just that he was eager to show him some new SECRET STUFF. Quit ruining my fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Unfortunately for your fun, Ethan is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Noooooooooooooooooo! Still, it is a bit odd that it's all "Why aren't all the little orphans getting money?" "We need to have profits. Oh, well, never mind, come check out this cool ride!" On the topic of the writing though. Some notes from a script editor. I'd recommend reading the whole thing but I'll link some 'choice' ones. Bane's intro General script problems One possible 'reading' of the film On rising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Really enjoyed Dark Knight Rises, thought the action was stellar and definitely loved all the performances but there were quite a few niggles which prevented it from reaching the lofty heights of Dark Knight. I definitely felt like several parts of the film were rushed despite the slow start. Bruce Wayne's defeat and recovery never felt as hard hitting as it should have, and despite all that he still beat Bane with pretty much just his own strength when he arrived back in Gotham which to me is pretty much the wrong way to go about that fight. Loved Bane but you never got a real feel for the character or what made him tick. I wanted more interaction with different characters with him and didn't get enough of it. He was awesome in spite of that though. Loved the way everything went to hell in Gotham, that was great and in the context of the films was pulled off realisticly. They also threw out pretty much everything that was a major factor in the Dark Knight. In that we learned you can't trust the police, you can't trust anybody really, anybody on the side of good can be twisted like Dent was. Yet in this film, Batman can pretty much trust everyone, everyone was on his side when he came back to Gotham and helping him (with the exception of Talia but she was evil to begin with). Talia/Miranda could have been taken out of the film. Her existence just seemed to be an excuse for a late plot twist that had basically no impact at all on the plot and her influence on Bane was never explored in anyway beyond 'he loves her'. Loved the roles Black and Gordon had and liked the ending, even though you change two scenes and Batman could have died I think that was the point actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Seen it tonight. Good, but I was hoping for more after the last movie. What bugged me: Batman only fights Bane head on. What happened to all the other strengths Batman had? Guile, intelligence, planning, insight... They didn't know how to finish the movie, or rather, how Batman manages to stop all those bad guys in 11 minutes without killing anyone, so Catwoman conveniently kills them instead (this includes Bane). Bane turns from this hulking monstrocity into a wimp when the plot twists happens and "he wasn't the main villain all along". Also, said plot twist felt like a twist for the sake of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Seen it tonight. Good, but I was hoping for more after the last movie. What bugged me: Batman only fights Bane head on. What happened to all the other strengths Batman had? Guile, intelligence, planning, insight... They didn't know how to finish the movie, or rather, how Batman manages to stop all those bad guys in 11 minutes without killing anyone, so Catwoman conveniently kills them instead (this includes Bane). Bane turns from this hulking monstrocity into a wimp when the plot twists happens and "he wasn't the main villain all along". Also, said plot twist felt like a twist for the sake of it... Exactly! In fact its so similar to Arkham City in that regard. SPOILERS FOR ARKHAM CITY The mastermind villain who organises and sets everything up was actually being controlled and told what to do by someone else. Hugo Strange controlled by Ra Al Ghul, Bane controlled by Talia Al Ghul. Edited July 31, 2012 by excel_excel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 And thanks for spoiling Arkham City now for me >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 sorry! Made sure to point that out there now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Arkham City will still have some surprises in store. Like TDKR, the twist is so inconsequential that it really makes no difference... Also, PLAY THE FRIGGIN' GAME ALREADY COME OOONNNN! Edited July 31, 2012 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Rat Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Arkham City will still have some surprises in store. Like TDKR, the twist is so inconsequential that it really makes no difference... Also, PLAY THE FRIGGIN' GAME ALREADY COME OOONNNN! I got overwhelmed by sidequests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldorf and Statler Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Then that's your own fault. Harry Potter dies at the end of Arkham City 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 My 9 year old sister has seen the last harry potter and still doesn't believe me that harry potter dies.(I may have told her many films ago...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Wait, she's seen it and still doesn't believe it? How does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 As in he dies and then comes back to life? Or dies dies? (I've no interest in Potter, so feel free to spoil). Also, on topic. Loved this film. Thought Bane was pitched well as the mastermind + physical equal of Batman. Catwoman was portrayed well as the neutral / leaning towards good person. There were some really strong emotional moments, some lighter bits, some decent action a satisfying climax and a hopeful aftermath. The bit that was difficult to sit through with regard to the national anthem was that you had to sit through the whole thing. Would have preferred to get on with it: "Oh say can you *BOOM!*" would have been more than enough. Oh also... I think chucking the rope into the prison was a bit frivolous. Was it established that everyone in there was innocent? Or did Batman just let a bunch of the worst villains in that part of the world shimmy up the rope for a bit of rape and pillaging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I hated how Bane all of a sudden turns from a ferocious dog into a puppy when Miranda reveals to be Talia. Not only do I feel it, but the movie makes Bane look really unimportant afterwards. They really should have added some dialogue before he dies expanding on his role and just you know...making him seem important. As important as everyone else in the film anyways. By the end, he was actually the least unimportant main character, even John Blake became mor eimportant at that point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Harry Potter spoilers: He's wizard Jesus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I hated how Bane all of a sudden turns from a ferocious dog into a puppy when Miranda reveals to be Talia. Not only do I feel it, but the movie makes Bane look really unimportant afterwards. They really should have added some dialogue before he dies expanding on his role and just you know...making him seem important. As important as everyone else in the film anyways. By the end, he was actually the least unimportant main character, even John Blake became mor eimportant at that point. Bad luck Blake actually spends the whole film being utterly useless. Loses Gordon down the sewers. (Admittedly finds him after he escaped). Tries to apprehend Bane's gang members, kills them both. Gets to the hospital just after Gordon has killed both his would be assassins. Fails to get the cops out of the manhole (and several die by grenade). Takes all the kids to the bridge by bus, bridge gets blown up. Nothing he does actually comes off right. Bane only really becomes useless after Batman has defeated him and he is revealed as Talia's protector / General. I think it shows how complete Batman's victory over Bane was that Bane pulls a gun on him to kill him and is then taken totally unawares by Catwoman. Contrast with Joker who while defeated and captured by Batman was not broken by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Bad luck Blake actually spends the whole film being utterly useless. Loses Gordon down the sewers. (Admittedly finds him after he escaped). Tries to apprehend Bane's gang members, kills them both. Gets to the hospital just after Gordon has killed both his would be assassins. Fails to get the cops out of the manhole (and several die by grenade). Takes all the kids to the bridge by bus, bridge gets blown up. Nothing he does actually comes off right. A point raised by the script editor, whose tweets I linked yesterday, was that the intention was probably to show that Blake was limited as a cop. And if he'd been Batman, things could've gone differently. And, of course, he is shown taking over the mantle at the end. Those aforementioned tweets in storified form. OBVIOUSLY SPOILERS. Edited August 1, 2012 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 One thing I thought they didn't do a good job of, that those tweets highlight, is making it seem like Gotham still has major problems. Toward the beginning of the movie they really made it seem like Gotham had been turned around. So why was the League of Shadows there? Was it really just personal vengeance on Talia's part? If so, lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 One thing I thought they didn't do a good job of, that those tweets highlight, is making it seem like Gotham still has major problems. Toward the beginning of the movie they really made it seem like Gotham had been turned around. So why was the League of Shadows there? Was it really just personal vengeance on Talia's part? If so, lame. Yeah, definitely needed expanding on. There is that weird undercurrent of people going to work in the sewers...but that's part of the League of Shadows stuff. Also, Daggett was involved in all that SECRET construction stuff which, you know, was creating jobs? And Gotham was better because the Dent Act stuff was 'built on a lie'...but the League of Shadows didn't know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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