deanb Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Srsly, I don't think PS2 memory cards ever dropped below £19.99. For 8MB. Honestly, you think a class 2 SD card will be able to play Vita games? The Vita might offer better graphics but so did the PSP and we all know how that turned out. Yep, the PSP sold 71 million units(and counting) becoming the 3rd, and give it 9 million more units and it grabs second, best selling handheld console of all time after the GBA and NDS. The PSP is pretty much the first handheld to seriously contest Nintendos handheld dominance in 3 generations (as an example the GameGear only ever sold 11 million units). Sure it hasn't sold 150million like the NDS, but 70million is by no means something to be snuffed at. The Gamecube and Xbox combined only ever did 50million sales in the face of the PS2s 100million+. If providing a higher powered alternative handheld to Nintendos offering hadn't worked out with the PSP do you really think they'd be releasing the Vita with the same draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Srsly, I don't think PS2 memory cards ever dropped below £19.99. For 8MB. Honestly, you think a class 2 SD card will be able to play Vita games? The Vita might offer better graphics but so did the PSP and we all know how that turned out. Yep, the PSP sold 71 million units(and counting) becoming the 3rd, and give it 9 million more units and it grabs second, best selling handheld console of all time after the GBA and NDS. The PSP is pretty much the first handheld to seriously contest Nintendos handheld dominance in 3 generations (as an example the GameGear only ever sold 11 million units). Sure it hasn't sold 150million like the NDS, but 70million is by no means something to be snuffed at. The Gamecube and Xbox combined only ever did 50million sales in the face of the PS2s 100million+. If providing a higher powered alternative handheld to Nintendos offering hadn't worked out with the PSP do you really think they'd be releasing the Vita with the same draw? I'm not saying the PSP wasn't a success, but I do think Sony intended the PSP to compete better with the DS, and I also believed it would sell better outside Japan. While it did sell well, the DS was a monster, and the PSP could have had a better chunk of that IMO. The Vita is in situation now, with smart pricing, and good advertising, it could maybe even surpass the 3DS as the lead dedicated handheld this generation. Sony should be pushing the Vita to be more than just the "alternative to 3DS" like the PSP was for the DS. But having substantial hidden costs in a system already more expensive than its competitors (how much is an iPod touch?), when the 3DS is has an almost 12 month head start (albeit a slightly rocky head start) and when smart phone gaming is taking away a lot of the "blue ocean", is NOT the way to do it. It's just disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Your entire argument falls on memory cards, it seems, and for that it is quite shaky. I will bring up once again that NOT having to buy cards is the new concept here. Plus, think of the original PSP... basically everyone bought memory for it. I think Sony themselves would be fine with another 70 million sold. They'd still pass the 3DS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well, I'm hoping they can do 70 bones again, we'll see! You also have to factor in the lack of Monster Hunter, which was HUGE in Japan. But it's hard to say there won't be another huge app like that. Only time will tell.... Did we ever find out if it can play PS2 Classics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well, I'm hoping they can do 70 bones again, we'll see! You also have to factor in the lack of Monster Hunter, which was HUGE in Japan. But it's hard to say there won't be another huge app like that. Only time will tell.... Did we ever find out if it can play PS2 Classics? Don't think it has a DVD drive mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 can't say if they can't play emulated ISOs until we see it for certain, such as the ones they put out on the PSN Store. Doesn't need a DVD drive for that. Also today's interview pretty much gives the reason for proprietary memory cards as 'letting everyone enjoy the same experience'. You'll find a world of difference using the low end and high end when you're using them on cameras for photography or filming. If there's a lot of data being read as the game plays you'd need something above 30MBps likely which can explain the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Well, I'm hoping they can do 70 bones again, we'll see! You also have to factor in the lack of Monster Hunter, which was HUGE in Japan. But it's hard to say there won't be another huge app like that. Only time will tell.... Did we ever find out if it can play PS2 Classics? Don't think it has a DVD drive mate. That's why I said the PS2 Classics, that have been appearing on the PSN Store in recent months. can't say if they can't play emulated ISOs until we see it for certain, such as the ones they put out on the PSN Store. Doesn't need a DVD drive for that. Also today's interview pretty much gives the reason for proprietary memory cards as 'letting everyone enjoy the same experience'. You'll find a world of difference using the low end and high end when you're using them on cameras for photography or filming. If there's a lot of data being read as the game plays you'd need something above 30MBps likely which can explain the costs. Makes sense, where'd you read this interview? Edited December 2, 2011 by TheCowboyPoet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Personally, I think the Vita, even with the card prices, is still a decent deal. I just have personal issues with it solely being a portable. I don't do a lot of portable gaming, so for me its not entirely a good buy. I love the concept of portable gaming, but I would rarely use it outside of traveling, which I don't do as much, and at home I'd rather play one of my consoles. Will the PS Vita be playable with a DS3 on a TV? If so, then you may find me buying one. I'm already on the fence, but I look at my PSP and even though I have games on it that I like, I just don't play it. I always had this idea of expandable memory/cpu/everything needed for gaming. A device that is as powerful as home consoles (PS Vita is almost there) that you can plug into your TV and use as the console itself. When plugged in the system has more memory and CPU/GPU available to it, so the games are visually and technically stunning. When you want it on the go, you pull it out of its "Dock" and you have a full blown portable that can play all your games on the go, just with less power making it a gimped version, but still very playable. The PS Vita seems to be the tipping point to me on this idea. To me, tahts the future of gaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 They already have that with these nettop smartphone things. Definitely a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbassman39 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 They already have that with these nettop smartphone things. Definitely a great idea. Oh yea, and it a very cool idea. We aren't there just yet, but soon we will be. Thats part of the idea behind windows 8... but that is for the windows 8 topic. As far as the Vita is concerned, the memory cards are fairly expensive, and maybe over priced, but at 250 for a base model PS Vita its hard to argue with that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Hearing Square Enix isn't joining the UMD Passport program was a little disappointing. Especially when I counted 9 UMDs on my shelf. Ooops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hmmm... I was talking about this earlier... but I was thinking a dollar or two... not 40%! Would be awesome if true. Digital Download Discount for Vita May Explain Sony’s Memory Stick Plans If this is true, it may put a broader context on Sony's plan to sell proprietary memory cards for the PlayStation Vita at jacked-up prices. A rumor reported by the site Thrifty Nerd says the PSN downloadable versions of Vita games will be discounted 40 percent off their retail counterparts. This information, unconfirmed by Sony, was attributed to a company spokesperson at "a recent Vita event."The way the math works out, after about eight downloads of full games, the $120 32-gigabyte card will have paid for itself. It assumes there are eight games a Vita user will want in, say, the first six months of release; it also means a combined spend of more than $550 (Vita, memory stick, games) on a handheld. That's how it works with "the more you spend, the more you save." You're still spending more. But there are smaller sticks, too. from 4 to 16 gigabytes, costing between $30 and $70. The tradeoff, of course, is you can't trade in digital media. Which again points to why Sony may be laying out incentives to go digital. I've emailed a Sony rep to ask for confirmation or denial of this rumor. It's the weekend though, so we may not hear anything before Monday. http://kotaku.com/5864910/digital-download-discount-for-vita-may-explain-sonys-memory-stick-plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Ugghhhh. If people actually bothered to compare them to other cards they'd see the prices are not jacked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hey, Owen Good is a journalist for Kotaku! He doesn't need to learn "facts" or know "what he's talking about". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Sony, the company that usually adds 40% extra on top of RRP for digital goods is thinking about making it 40% less on the Vita? I'd take that with a grain of salt. (they may discount, but 40% is quite a bit.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I'd be surprised, not least because retailers would be most displeased by the move and may refuse to stock the Vita. I would love to think that Sony had the stones to tell Game and their ilk what we already know (that physical media's days are numbered) and that they can either stock Sony titles and limp on for a while or not and die all the quicker, but I don't think they will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Depends how much the specialist stores push hardware compared to other stores like Amazon or supermarkets that don't rely on selling games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah, Gamestop might refuse to sell Vita if they discounted the DD games, but I doubt Walmart or Best Buy would. I mean, retailers (even Gamestop) carry the Go, and that eliminates physical game purchases all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah, but the Go definitely isn't undercutting the physical alternative. I think once Gamestop and co realised that the Go was going to be more expensive than the PSP hardware and the games were going to be more expensive they thought "what the hell" and stocked it. Leading up to launch there was some very bullish talk from Gamestop and other specialist retailers. Like I said, I would like for Sony to tell specialist retailers to like it or lump it but I don't think they are confident enough in their digital sales to take that risk so they will continue to price digital games on par if not more expensive than their physical equivalents, irrespective of how transparent and retarded that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnine Tenshi Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Initially, the Vita was appetizing. Then Sony went crazy and started stacking extra costs and limitations. \ : It's unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Limitations? I can understand baulking at the cost of memory cards, but what limitations are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Well you can only have one PSN account on a Vita. So you have to reset if to factory settings if you want to sign on with a different account. which I presume means to play the games on whichever account you've downloaded them from means you have to go through the same factory reset procedure every time. Why? Why on earth is this being done? The EU stores PSP line up is garbage. So its normal if a person would buy stuff from the US store for their PSP. I'm getting a little tired of the fanboy brigade defending decisions like this on Kotaku its always the same tired fanboys doing it.. Jesus Christ, don't defend the 3DSs inane region lock and don't fucking defend stupid decisions like this that only limit what we as customers can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think someone needs a trip to the angry dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel_excel Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 its just frustrating seeing fanboys defend this and say 'oh your just complaining you weren't going to buy one anyway' or other bullshit. Its not a good thing! DON'T DEFEND IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nothing is worse than people complaining about region locks. Does anyone ever import games? I don't know anyone who does. Maybe a game like Xenoblade for the Wii but that's coming over anyways. Well you can only have one PSN account on a Vita. So you have to reset if to factory settings if you want to sign on with a different account. which I presume means to play the games on whichever account you've downloaded them from means you have to go through the same factory reset procedure every time. Why? Why on earth is this being done? The EU stores PSP line up is garbage. So its normal if a person would buy stuff from the US store for their PSP. I'm getting a little tired of the fanboy brigade defending decisions like this on Kotaku its always the same tired fanboys doing it.. Jesus Christ, don't defend the 3DSs inane region lock and don't fucking defend stupid decisions like this that only limit what we as customers can do. You do realize that you can download a game off the PS3 PSN and then copy it over to the Vita right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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