deanb Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 ...was a cheater after all: http://consumerist.com/2011/01/mom-admits-autistic-son-cheated-on-xbox-live-meriting-label.html Called it. You don't get banned for being too good. He may of been better than most, but the reason you have an average is cos inevitably people would be above it. And MS would get nowhere if it was was known they banned pro players. Kid was autistic, not a saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Is that really cheating? He let other people play games with his account so he could get more points. Im seriously asking. I dont know how seriously people and ms take gamerscore and achievements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeeferton Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 and to think I felt bad for that kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Is that really cheating? He let other people play games with his account so he could get more points. Im seriously asking. I dont know how seriously people and ms take gamerscore and achievements. It's cheating so far as the whole gamerscore thing goes. MS can't really get folks to buy into the whole idea that achievements are super excellent, and worth grabbing enough that you'll even buy shit games with easy achievements (which you'll never guess why shit games have easy achievements...), if they let folks cheat the system. I don't really get why you'd do it anyway. Should you later want to play that game you won't get that little ding, and your achievements are for games you've never really played, be a bit of an empty .... achievement. That and eventually MS will find you, hunt you down, and...remove your points. You know this is probably why MS commented he can earn his achievements back 'the normal way'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 ...was a cheater after all: http://consumerist.com/2011/01/mom-admits-autistic-son-cheated-on-xbox-live-meriting-label.html He did it for Recon Armor? The one that most everyone has by now, even considering most of the Xbox live userbase isn't autistic? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kau_Kau Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hmm, I'm wondering if they can ban accounts for playing kinect games with an account that isn't their own in this case. Or even for just people playing games on your system with that one account instead of getting their own. The reason I ask that I lived in a house where there was only one xbox with one gold live account and a whole lot of people played on that account. Since we mostly played halo we didn't see the point of having more than one gold account. The points didn't matter to us. How different is this from letting someone else use your account from far away? Am I a cheater for letting my friends help me or vice versa on sections of games? Or for simply passing the controller around during an sp game and they unlocked an achievement? I'd imagine that the kinect thing is possible since it can recognize an individual and MS can take data from it to cater for advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Am I a cheater for letting my friends help me or vice versa on sections of games? Or for simply passing the controller around during an sp game and they unlocked an achievement? I'd imagine that the kinect thing is possible since it can recognize an individual and MS can take data from it to cater for advertising. I very sincerely doubt that. Like, I hope there arent watching you through your telescreen 1984 style. Im 99.9 percent sure that is illegal anyway. Yeah, they wont know your friends and family are playing on your account and they wont really care. But maybe, just maybe, THEY ARE WATCHING YOU 0.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well if you guys are getting friends to complete hard parts then you're probably going to get the cheeves in order, or just using the same account in the same house you should be fine. Since the account being used in other places and achievements in the wrong order are what set off the alarms for MS. Also it's semi-possible, but I doubt MS would do it. The chance of someone finding out would be a PR nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kau_Kau Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I very sincerely doubt that. Like, I hope there arent watching you through your telescreen 1984 style. Im 99.9 percent sure that is illegal anyway. Yeah, they wont know your friends and family are playing on your account and they wont really care. But maybe, just maybe, THEY ARE WATCHING YOU 0.0. Luckily i have thousands of tinfoil hats, one just for this kind of event. Anyway, I know it's most likely illegal, but by playing online aren't you technically playing in their space if you're playing within the Live environment? So images uploaded by the camera exist not just within our home, but within the also within the realm of live. The reason I ask is because of the argument that others have that "ms can do whatever they want within the Live environment, such as changing one's gamertag." I know it's pretty much useless to thimk about, but the thought just occurred to me. Perhaps it's best to ask a legal Phoenix if I really wanted to know the answer instead of pondering it. Life goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 from the bit that the cheevos were earned out of order, could it be that the person he was in contact with to earn those was using a cheevo unlocking program? so was it that he was playing a bit, as was the other person, and their save points were at different portions of the game? Either way, I would think the achievements would still end up in order... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well if folks are on different save points just playing the game a little while on his account maybe? So guy A is towards the end, guy B has been playing a fair bit, and Guy C has just started out fresh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 well, yea, but if guy A is towards the end, then obviously he'd have the achievements unlocked for the parts that guy B C are playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 The real question here is: what the fuck, gamerscore? Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yeah, which means if he is now using the other guys account when he's at the end, the end of game achievement he unlocks then will go to the guys account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I can't remember exactly what happened but I think a friend of mine managed to have an achievement missing from his gamertag. He'd unlocked a licence on Burnout Paradise but I don't think he was connected to the internet. Next time he used his gamertag he'd recovered it on my console and earned some achievements for another game, and when he recovered it on his again he still had the savedata, obviously, but the achievements from before were missing. I imagine that could happen if you're giving your gamertag details away to people. I really couldn't care about achievement 'cheating' unless it interferes with other people's gameplay. Seriously, who cares? Well, I mean, MS obviously do but that's just sad. Edited February 1, 2011 by Hot Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Yeah, which means if he is now using the other guys account when he's at the end, the end of game achievement he unlocks then will go to the guys account. But it doesn't work that way, save files are tied to Gamertags. So sure Guy A could have a save file at the end, but he wouldn't be able to play that file on Guy B's account without hacking it in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I said it before, and I'll say it again. If this was a normal 11 year-old, no one would've given two shits about it. Some might have even called it justice, because a cheater had been properly banned. But because he was autistic, people went nuts. Microsoft was suddenly the bad guy, and no matter what they did or how things played out, they were going to be viewed as the bad guy. His autism has no real bearing on the story at all - the moderators at Xbox Live followed company procedure and felt it was evidence enough to ban him. They did their job to the fullest extent and in what they felt was the most proper way. TL;DR - Kid with a disability gets banned for cheating (after he actually cheated), people go ballistic because he had a disability and Microsoft was "ruining his life". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Yeah it's Equal Opportunities gone mad. Dude cheater, it had nothing to do with any disability, it was irrelevant. If MS had reversed their decision then that'd of fucked em over, it's like saying "It's bad to cheater, we will punish you, oh unless you're handicapped in some way and it's all fine". He didn't get banned btw, just had his gamerscore and achievements stripped and his gamertag marked as [cheater] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Well and apparently he wasn't actually "banned", they just removed the cheated achievements. He can still get them legitimately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showmeyomoves! Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I don't think the general public is to blame for the outrage. The news item (and Kotaku article) was intentionally deceptive. Sure, anyone with the slightest amount of critical thought could figure out what was really going on, but I learned that it's not always a good idea to put that much faith in the general public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 People are stupid, and believe whatever the first thing they hear is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteer01 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 ...was a cheater after all: http://consumerist.com/2011/01/mom-admits-autistic-son-cheated-on-xbox-live-meriting-label.html Called it. You don't get banned for being too good. He may of been better than most, but the reason you have an average is cos inevitably people would be above it. And MS would get nowhere if it was was known they banned pro players. Kid was autistic, not a saint. Great follow up. I remember seeing the original article and thinking, "Yeah, I highly doubt Xbox can't tell the difference between autistic and cheating." Thanks for letting me know my hunch was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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