HotChops Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 It just seems like each character (other than wolverine) gets very little face time on a 90 minute film. I agree about the handing the films off and it really pisses me off that so many other hero movies are given such great care but X-Men really seems to have been shafted by Hollywood. X3 really seemed to just crap all over the first two movies. Edit: What bothers me about this is I don't think they're distancing themselves from those two bad movies enough. There's only so much distance to take. Most of the plot elements of First Class have to conform to the casting/script decisions of X-Men 1, let alone the third and fourth films. When you say you want them to distance themselves, what exactly do you think they should do? I totally agree about Wolverine getting too much face time. Most X-fans agree with us there. That's just one of many reasons I'm hoping the new films are better. The focus will be on Magneto/Xavier more than anyone else, and I have no problem with that. I don't think the X-men films have been treated too sorely by Hollywood. When the first X-men movie came out, comic book films weren't "in" yet. In fact, it was due to the success of Singer's X-men that all the other comic films were able to get the green light. By today's standards, the first X-men had a very low budget. But by the standards of the time, the budget allotted to them was pretty decent. Remember that prior to Singer's X-men, the only other really commercially successful comic film(s) were Batman (1989) and Superman (1978), and those franchises also eventually jumped the shark... you'd think execs would've remembered that when they were choosing directors and drafting budgets for the third and fourth X-films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Wolverine getting too much face time? Isn't that just the films being faithful to the comics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 This is a good point about X-men getting the ball rolling again. As far as distancing I would almost prefer a reboot at this point. I'd be fine if they came out and said "Okay, lets forget about X3 and do a new X3 by singer" but since that would never ever happen I'd just as soon reboot or just start new story lines that aren't connected with the past movies. I'm not that interested in a prequel when I don't like the way the series ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotChops Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 This is a good point about X-men getting the ball rolling again. As far as distancing I would almost prefer a reboot at this point. I'd be fine if they came out and said "Okay, lets forget about X3 and do a new X3 by singer" but since that would never ever happen I'd just as soon reboot or just start new story lines that aren't connected with the past movies. I'm not that interested in a prequel when I don't like the way the series ended. yeah, unfortunately I'm pretty sure they intend to stick to the events of X3 and Wolverine as much as they can. It's a bit of a bummer, but these new films will probably revolve mostly around lesser-known characters or ones created in the last 10 years. I have hope though. A romantic subplot with Magneto could lead to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in future films. All doubts aside though... seeing those blue/gold uniforms, that young-looking Beast, the old-school SR-71 Blackbird.... it all gets me pretty excited. My brother and I saw X-men 1 - 3 in the theaters together (a rare tradition for us). He's also a big fan of the 1960s and the Cold War. When I showed him the trailer for First Class he went nuts. So it looks like we'll dust off our old tradition and see it together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Strangelove Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 As a person who doesnt read comics, i hate when comic book movies bring out characters i dont know. I a midlevel nerd, at least id like to think, but everyone knows the basic xmen, probably from the cartoon in the 90s. im sorry comic nerds, but wolverine is by far the coolest character. He just has the funnest powers. Its what people want to see. once you bring out unknown characters it means theyre out of good ideas. then again, i think Thor and Ghostrider are shit characters that shouldnt have had movies. I wish they would have made the Magneto origins film, but have it not turn out like the popcorn Wolverine Origins. Xmen 3 isnt too bad either. Its fun. People can stomache those awful fast and furious films, i cant see why people cant stomache xmen 3 or wolverine. Same shit. it shouldnt be, but thats how it turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRan Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 As long as this is nothing like the piece of shit that was X3 it'll be all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 So yeah, this movie looks pretty crappy. that being said, i heard Thor was good so im looking forward to seeing it, if this turns out good ill see it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Siren is the only low level one there. Xavier n Magneto: pretty big hitters. Beast n Mystique were in the last three films. Havok is Scott Summers brother. Same powers, just not with the glasses so much. (I'm sure in the comics it comes from his hands n not his whole body though). Emma Frost is big in the comics, I guess not so much in other stuff, though she has a short cameo in Wolverine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 So yeah, this movie looks pretty crappy. Can't be as bad as Scott Pilgrim. BURN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotChops Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 As a person who doesnt read comics, i hate when comic book movies bring out characters i dont know. I a midlevel nerd, at least id like to think, but everyone knows the basic xmen, probably from the cartoon in the 90s. im sorry comic nerds, but wolverine is by far the coolest character. He just has the funnest powers. Its what people want to see. once you bring out unknown characters it means theyre out of good ideas. then again, i think Thor and Ghostrider are shit characters that shouldnt have had movies. I wish they would have made the Magneto origins film, but have it not turn out like the popcorn Wolverine Origins. Xmen 3 isnt too bad either. Its fun. People can stomache those awful fast and furious films, i cant see why people cant stomache xmen 3 or wolverine. Same shit. it shouldnt be, but thats how it turned out. Wolverine is a cool character and he does deserve a certain amount of spotlight. The problem is that in terms of the total amount of screen time between Xmen 1 - 3, Wolverine winds up gobbling up attention at the expense of other great characters and stories. I don't think it was meant to be that way. I think Singer intended the third film to focus a lot more on Cyclops and Jean. So yeah, this movie looks pretty crappy. Seriously? What are you basing that on? Just so you know, this film (and it's impending sequels) are the closest you and I are getting to a Magneto origin story. I'm pretty sure the film spends at least some time showing the origins and meeting of Xavier and Magneto. X-fanboyism aside, I believe this film will be good. My only concerns are: - It won't be commercially successful because the advertising is subtle and humble in its approach. There's not a lot of explosions or gratuitous sexuality. The whole thing has a European vibe that tends to turn off American summer movie-goers. The 1960s are "in" right now due to the success of games like Black Ops and shows like Mad Men, but will those audiences be interested in this movie? - the obvious romance appeal to younger women. I read a while back that one studio executive was pushing for the film to be more like Twilight and to go after that audience. Some of the marketing definitely appears to do just that. Overall, I continue to be hyped. Showing the rise and fall of Xavier and Magneto's friendship will be epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I've never really enjoyed any of the X-Men films. Well, X-Men 3 was 'fun' in a stupid way. I think it was more to do with picking a tone and sticking with it. Either make it a bit over-the-top and ridiculous like a comic or add a lot of depth to it. And I don't like how they've portrayed Wolverine. Hugh Jackman's an OK guy and does his best, but he just isn't Wolverine. At least not the Wolverine you should be seeing. That he became a major focus of the films over everyone else detracted from what relationships and stories could've been explored. While I'm glad they've sort of distanced this new film away from the others, and I love seeing the Xavier/Magneto stuff, I'm still a little sceptical. I guess that approach is why they've gone with the X-Men they have, but at least it looks like they've got some actual characters rather than 'hey, look it's Storm'. Although, I would have preferred Cyclops in Havok's place. Seems like they could've had the same angle on his story (scared of hurting people with their powers). Havok is Scott Summers brother. Same powers, just not with the glasses so much. (I'm sure in the comics it comes from his hands n not his whole body though). Depends which you've seen. Originally, it came from his chest in a more dated sci-fi ray gun-like look but more recent comics and such had changed it to shoot out of his hands, I think. It was never red though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr W Phallus Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) I've never really enjoyed any of the X-Men films. Well, X-Men 3 was 'fun' in a stupid way. I think it was more to do with picking a tone and sticking with it. Either make it a bit over-the-top and ridiculous like a comic or add a lot of depth to it. To be honest I think that problem stems form the comics themselves. On the one hand you have an attempt to tackle fairly complex issues of prejudice, and reaction to prejudice, and on the other you have often goofy costumes and powers, people coming back to life left right and centre and pretty much every other comic trope under the sun. It's quite hard to strike a satisfactory balance. Havok is Scott Summers brother. Same powers, just not with the glasses so much. (I'm sure in the comics it comes from his hands n not his whole body though). Depends which you've seen. Originally, it came from his chest in a more dated sci-fi ray gun-like look but more recent comics and such had changed it to shoot out of his hands, I think. It was never red though. The red is probably just a visual connection to Scott, for the benefit of people for whom cinematic enjoyment is inversely proportional to intellectual stimulation. Edited May 9, 2011 by Mr W Phallus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotChops Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I think coloring his plasma energy to make it more visually connected to Cyclops is a wise choice. I wouldn't be surprised if the newer comics eventually didn't follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I'm staying very pessimistic and have the lowest expectations for this. I learned my lesson after the trainwreck that was Origins: Wolverine. In fact, calling that movie a trainwreck is offensive to trainwrecks. It sounded so great. The casting, the leaked bits of the story, hell even the trailers. Then that unfinished version of the movie leaked. And I watched it. And it was horrible, and I was thinking "it's unfinished, maybe they'll change some things." Then the movie came out, and word was spreading that it was indeed, that terrible. Then my friend, another Deadpool nerd like myself, dragged me to the movie. I kept telling him he didn't want to see it. In the end, I got to say "I told you so" and we were both the worse for it. So I say it now in hopes it'll prove me wrong: Fuck this movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 To be honest I think that problem stems form the comics themselves. On the one hand you have an attempt to tackle fairly complex issues of prejudice, and reaction to prejudice, and on the other you have often goofy costumes and powers, people coming back to life left right and centre and pretty much every other comic trope under the sun. It's quite hard to strike a satisfactory balance. Well, that's what I felt was wrong with the Singer films. They should've done what First Class is doing and start from the beginning. Put some effort into developing the characters along your own lines and look at that odd contrast between fighting prejudice but actually trying to be superheroes too. Don't just try and slot in kids as the ones you should be relating to and 'rooting for'. And, yeah, the change of colour for Havok's power is obviously for a connection to Cyclops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) I really am not too interested in this, though I did like Singer's movies. At Kapow this year they did a secret screening of Super, which was meant to be great- everyone expected the secret screening to be First Class. So yeah, this movie looks pretty crappy. Can't be as bad as Scott Pilgrim. BURN! Um, a.) Scott Pilgrim is awesome. So, not so much a 'BURN!' as a 'fail'. b.) This is is NO WAY related to X-Men, except the comic origin, but even that's not really relevant considering the pedigree. Edited May 10, 2011 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I'm pretty pumped for first class. I often enjoy the "origin" parts of superhero films more than the shenanigans of established supers. This film will hinge on the development of the relationship between Charles and Eric.If they click on screen then the film will be great, if they're flat or there is no chemistry it will be another bland super hero film that takes itself too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 My mum for some reason (though I have a feeling it's post-operation Wolverine/hugh jackman) likes Origins. I took it around on my HDD once, they watched it but only half way , then she went n bought it. She even called me up to tell me she'd bought it. My main grievance with Origins is the bit in the farmers bathroom when he's first looking at his claws then slices the sink. The CG is SOOOO BAAADDD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Haha, my mom also liked the Xmen films and im almost positive its because of Hugh Jackman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 My sister wanted to see Wolverine on her birthday solely because of Hugh Jackman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Yeah Dean, your Mum probably liked it for all the Jackman muscle madness I know every woman I met/ heard from did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 ITT "Hugh Jackman is attractive to women" awareness group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Not just women. Im straight, but Jackman is a damn handsome man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotChops Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 You guys have parents that watch comic films? OMG... my parents NEVER in a million years would watch anything that isn't straight-laced drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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