Hot Heart Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think he means there has always been an analogy between mutants and prejudice in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jimmeh Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think he means there has always been an analogy between mutants and prejudice in general. Yep, originally it was blacks, then it was gays, then its something else. X-Men was born and is fueled by whatever prejudices exist in the world at the time the stories are written. That having been said, First Class was a very good film, with some extra writing for the Xavier and Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think he means there has always been an analogy between mutants and prejudice in general. Yep, originally it was blacks, then it was gays, then its something else. X-Men was born and is fueled by whatever prejudices exist in the world at the time the stories are written. That having been said, First Class was a very good film, with some extra writing for the Xavier and Eric. Never said it was a bad film. It's an awesome film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think he means there has always been an analogy between mutants and prejudice in general. Yep, originally it was blacks, then it was gays, then its something else. X-Men was born and is fueled by whatever prejudices exist in the world at the time the stories are written. That having been said, First Class was a very good film, with some extra writing for the Xavier and Eric. Never said it was a bad film. It's an awesome film. Why so defensive? No one said that you said it was a bad film. Anyways, why not view the don't ask don't tell joke as a military joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Its was really good. Not great though. Lots of little things to nitpick(boringass main plot, shitty D list mutants, gratuitous titties, that chick who played Emma Frost, etc), not as a comic book fan, but as a movie fan and moreso as an "I just want to be entertained for 2 hours" fan. Luckily the movie has way more good than bad. Its not as good as X1 or X2, but it is miles better than X3 and Wolverine, MILES better, at least in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I thought it was miles better than 1 and 2. A hell of a lot better plot and characters. D-list mutants? What, in terms of how well known they are? Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Its was really good. Not great though. Lots of little things to nitpick(boringass main plot, shitty D list mutants, gratuitous titties, that chick who played Emma Frost, etc), not as a comic book fan, but as a movie fan and moreso as an "I just want to be entertained for 2 hours" fan. Luckily the movie has way more good than bad. Its not as good as X1 or X2, but it is miles better than X3 and Wolverine, MILES better, at least in my humble opinion. I generally agree with this- though I nitpicked on totally different things. I thought the editing was really choppy, the jumping back and forth between different locations (and sometimes time periods) was far too jarring if you're paying close attention. Also, the music generally sucked. Really generic Hollywood schlock- specifically in a couple of scenes I actually felt the whole scene was ruined by shitty, cheesy music. However, I felt the acting, story, and characters really pulled it off. It also was brilliant how this wasn't an "action" movie; whenever action is taking place, it's to tell you about a character or the politics of the situation. There was never action for action's sake. Overall, I felt a tiny, teeny bit "meh" about it (I felt it was too 'lite'), but overall I really enjoyed it. Nowhere near as good as 1 or 2, they were overall much more classy and polished, though still just pulpy enough. I'm not even giving X3 and Wolverine a mention. Woops, I did. Edited June 11, 2011 by kenshi_ryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Saw this last night. It was good. Not great, but good. Certainly my favourite of the X-Men films. I think it had some great moments and the fact that it was paying attention to character more than action helped it a lot. The german coin imagery was actually kinda cool; that it flips over to show the X-Men logo seemed inconsequential at first but then there's the whole 'two sides of the same coin' thing with Magneto and Xavier. As well as the coin, some of the dialogue callbacks and moments were pretty clever. Though I can't believe four (credited) people worked on that script, judging by some of that other dialogue... Also, I heard that behooves bit T-Next mentioned. I can't remember it exactly but it seems Hank feels it's necessary to point out that whatever happens they will never be accepted or somesuch. I guess it sort of makes sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 So anyone thinking they'll do a sequel to the prequel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Sebastian Shaw starting WW3 by tricking a couple of generals? The way he carried that out throughout the movie was really retarded. Just the whole plot of the movie was bad and unbelievable. It was just an excuse to tell the story of xavier and magneto, which was awesome. to be honest, the best parts were the talky ones. The action was pretty....basic. Edited June 11, 2011 by Strangelove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. GOH! Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 So anyone thinking they'll do a sequel to the prequel? I thought it was already confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Oh hadn't heard anything, though I've been a bit out the loop on film news for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTervo Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Sebastian Shaw starting WW3 by tricking a couple of generals? The way he carried that out throughout the movie was really retarded. Just the whole plot of the movie was bad and unbelievable. Well, yeah. And the rest of the film was about a guy who can absorb kinetic energy, an insanely powerful psychic/telepath, and a dude who can control metal. Not to mention other realistic classics like the guy who can 'evolve' at will and temporarily. I think "generals being manipulated" is on the more believable side of the scale (even if it was told in an oversimplified manner, no doubt to avoid political boredom). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Sebastian Shaw starting WW3 by tricking a couple of generals? The way he carried that out throughout the movie was really retarded. Just the whole plot of the movie was bad and unbelievable. Well, yeah. And the rest of the film was about a guy who can absorb kinetic energy, an insanely powerful psychic/telepath, and a dude who can control metal. Not to mention other realistic classics like the guy who can 'evolve' at will and temporarily. I think "generals being manipulated" is on the more believable side of the scale (even if it was told in an oversimplified manner, no doubt to avoid political boredom). Yeah, no. Theres a clear line between reality and make believe in these movies. You put these characters in real life situations to ground them in reality, but when the reality is as crazy as the make believe stuff, it kind of all falls apart. If their goal was to make a "real" film with comic book characters in it, they failed. It should have just been a straight up comic book movie like Kick Ass or Scott Pilgrim where it clearly is all fantasy. Im really just going by what happened in Watchmen. Both the comic and the movie did this thing way better. Well, except for the goddamn octopus. The movie did that way better than the comic. In the movie there was actual proof, real life evidence as to why they thought Dr. Manhattan did that shit. In this one? Not really. Just makes humanity look REAL stupid. And as much as I hate the human race myself, were not THAT dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Jack Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Yes we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Given that in real life things like the Cuban missile crisis happened and the concept of MAD exists and is a possibilty: yeah we're pretty dumb. Anyway he did trick them, didn't Emma Frost pretty much just telepathically force their mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Sebastian Shaw starting WW3 by tricking a couple of generals? The way he carried that out throughout the movie was really retarded. Just the whole plot of the movie was bad and unbelievable. Well, yeah. And the rest of the film was about a guy who can absorb kinetic energy, an insanely powerful psychic/telepath, and a dude who can control metal. Not to mention other realistic classics like the guy who can 'evolve' at will and temporarily. I think "generals being manipulated" is on the more believable side of the scale (even if it was told in an oversimplified manner, no doubt to avoid political boredom). Yeah, no. Theres a clear line between reality and make believe in these movies. You put these characters in real life situations to ground them in reality, but when the reality is as crazy as the make believe stuff, it kind of all falls apart. If their goal was to make a "real" film with comic book characters in it, they failed. It should have just been a straight up comic book movie like Kick Ass or Scott Pilgrim where it clearly is all fantasy. Im really just going by what happened in Watchmen. Both the comic and the movie did this thing way better. Well, except for the goddamn octopus. The movie did that way better than the comic. In the movie there was actual proof, real life evidence as to why they thought Dr. Manhattan did that shit. In this one? Not really. Just makes humanity look REAL stupid. And as much as I hate the human race myself, were not THAT dumb. Except Kick Ass is supposed to be real. The movie fucked that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 That jetpack. That goddamn jetpack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Jetpack indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=81043 Some Days of Future Past photos from on set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 WE HAVE AN X-MEN TOPIC?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? Also it was great reading some of the old posts of people being skeptical of First Class. After rewatching all the X-men movies this winter, First Class is way ahead of the rest of the series. DoFP sounds great, but it does have a huge cast, I hope it doesn't end up too cramped. I wouldn't be opposed to splitting it into two movies, assuming the story is there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hot Heart Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 WE HAVE AN X-MEN TOPIC?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? Also it was great reading some of the old posts of people being skeptical of First Class. After rewatching all the X-men movies this winter, First Class is way ahead of the rest of the series. DoFP sounds great, but it does have a huge cast, I hope it doesn't end up too cramped. I wouldn't be opposed to splitting it into two movies, assuming the story is there. Yeah, having rewatched it recently I've gained a certain appreciation for it. It's meant to be a '60s Bond-style X-Men film, and in that regard it works really well. It's damn good, but it still has its problems. January Jones is good in some parts, particularly when she has to be expressive in diamond form, but in others SHE'S FREAKING BLINKING WHILE DELIVERING HER LINES. Also, Fassbender's Irish lilt is too present in other sections. Apparently, the production schedule was very tight, which would explain a lot of the problems. I guess Bryan Singer might get a little more leeway in that regard, but I wasn't overly fond of the earlier (Wolverine & the) X-Men films and I preferred the way First Class captured the cheesy elements. There are some cool deleted scenes on the blu-ray version as well. And it hammers home that at the end of First Class, Xavier has essentially lost so much (greater acceptance, oldest/only friend, 'groovy' playboy image, woman he loves). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 My problem with First Class is I feel they wrapped things up too tightly. Did Xavier really need to be crippled? Watching him walk around, hitting on ladies, being a groooooovy dude was one of the best things about the movie, it would have been nice to have kept that going for the sequel. Wolvering and the X-men are a great way to describe Singer's Xmen films. Hopefully, since Wolverine will have just got his own film, DoFP will focus more on the rest of the X-men. Don't get me wrong, Wolverine is the coolest X-man, but Cyclops in particular got shafted in the original trilogy, even before his off-camera death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I read the first issue in the new series written by Brian Wood and it was... alright. I would hold off to see how it goes with him at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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