Diablo III

[Vargras]

The Friends & Family beta of Diablo 3 has started, and despite the NDA, screenshots of it have still managed to leak out. Whoops?

 

Full gallery of images can be found at: http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6235/title/beta-download/cat/630

 

I had all the images manually posted, then found out I couldn't post that many. Oh well, you can look for yourself now.

[Johnny]

Blizzard aren't that good at keeping secrets. We knew almost everything about the Cataclysm expansion over a month beforehand. =P

[mergedwarrior]

Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they think it's right, and chances are all of you are still going to buy it. QFT end of story.

[Vargras]

Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they think it's right, and chances are all of you are still going to buy it. QFT end of story.

 

You can't QFT your own post.

[BrainHurtBoy...2]

Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they think it's right, and chances are all of you are still going to buy it. QFT end of story.

 

I will not be buying it, and that's a strange assumption to make, and also a slightly offensive one.

And no. Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they don't want people to pirate their game, and are using a draconian form of DRM without exploring alternate solutions because most people will buy the game anyway, while fucking a segment of their fanbase, the size of which is debateable, over. That's not okay.

 

Also, what Vargras said about QFTing.

[Keywork]

Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they think it's right, and chances are all of you are still going to buy it. QFT end of story.

 

I will not be buying it, and that's a strange assumption to make, and also a slightly offensive one.

And no. Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they don't want people to pirate their game, and are using a draconian form of DRM without exploring alternate solutions because most people will buy the game anyway, while fucking a segment of their fanbase, the size of which is debateable, over. That's not okay.

 

Also, what Vargras said about QFTing.

Merged may be an asshole with what he said but i think hes right. I just dont get the fan backlash on the title, Always online is not a big deal. Seriously people its 2011, if your on this forum your more than likely have an internet connection on 24/7. Always online is not a big deal unless you plan to play this alone and constantly on the move away from Wi-Fi spots*Which are everywhere nowadays*, not to mention its to deter people from hacking weapons into the game and selling them for ACTUAL cash in the auction house. On the subject of the auction house, If people are complaining about this they deserve to be slapped. For years people have been selling items in D2 for cash through shady websites and practices, Blizzard is just taking a small cut of the action and making it a secure feature of the game*Kinda like another website...*. its gonna happen no matter what so why not make it safer and make a profit while they are at it? They are selling a good product with features that make it safer for me as a consumer to enjoy it.

 

I argued with Chewblaha on skype for 5 hours or so about this and WoW lore*Yes, We donned our red shirts *. I really just think its silly how some people can get mad about a company going out and trying to make a profit. Anyway idk, i just personally have been getting annoyed with it. They are making a new Diablo game, gameplay wise the only thing people can complain about would be the art style or the classes. The always online DRM is far from a real issue to the majority and an online auction house is one of the best things to happen for us gamers. Imagine, playing and finding a really awesome weapon that is for a class you dont play, you can put it up on the auction house for either in game gold.....or actual cash and have it sell. They are allowing us as a consumer to make a profit off of their property and making a service that has been completely unsafe and actually illegal possible. Done ranting anyway, those who say they are not buying a game more than likely actually pick it up somewhere down the line. *Cough*L4D2, WoW, Portal 2 among others*.Just saying

 

P.S. Got client installed and ready, Sent an email to an old guildy who work's at Bliz from way back when asking if he can spare a key. Lets hope for the best!

 

P.S.S If enough people ask i will post a 2 min excerpt from me and chews rage fest.

Edited September 11, 2011 by Keywork

[Johnny]

 

I will not be buying it, and that's a strange assumption to make, and also a slightly offensive one.

And no. Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they don't want people to pirate their game, and are using a draconian form of DRM without exploring alternate solutions because most people will buy the game anyway, while fucking a segment of their fanbase, the size of which is debateable, over. That's not okay.

 

 

As mentioned in my other post I really don't think stopping piracy is the only, or maybe even the main reason for the always online DRM. It's almost definitely part of it, but you're oversimplifying.

Their reasons make sense from their perspective and is entirely in character with what they have been doing and how their attitudes (which individual developers display pretty publically on their forums) have been developing.

 

 

Merged may be an asshole with what he said but i think hes right. I just dont get the fan backlash on the title, Always online is not a big deal. Seriously people its 2011, if your on this forum your more than likely have an internet connection on 24/7.

 

Well, no. A lot of people have highly unstable connections, enough so that they don't want to pay for a title that doesn't let them play while offline. As said in an earlier post this doesn't effect me much because I was going to play it exclusively online in any case, but it will effect a lot of people. I know of at least one member of this forum that currently can't get a home connection for various reasons.

 

Always online is not a big deal unless you plan to play this alone and constantly on the move away from Wi-Fi spots*Which are everywhere nowadays*,

 

There are like two open wi-fi hotspots in my city that I know of. It's not literally everywhere, that depends a lot on where you live.

 

not to mention its to deter people from hacking weapons into the game and selling them for ACTUAL cash in the auction house.

 

True. Also, before anyone brings it up, simply separating the online and offline modes aren't enough (or rather, as effective); the more of the game is actually on the client, the easier it will be for hackers to figure out how to get around Blizzard's security. See Diablo 2's closed Battle.Net. It's not been as free of hacks as one may think.

 

Done ranting anyway, those who say they are not buying a game more than likely actually pick it up somewhere down the line. *Cough*L4D2, WoW, Portal 2 among others*.Just saying

Blizzard is doing what they're doing because they think it's right, and chances are all of you are still going to buy it. QFT end of story.

 

Sure, a lot of people probably will, but generalizing everyone who say they aren't gonna buy it is silly, quite offensive and dumb. People will decide to not buy for their own reasons, and while for some people those reasons end up not being enough to keep them convinced to stay away, for other people it is. I still haven't purchased MW2 or BLOPS because I think the direction that franchise is going towards is horrible, for instance.

[BrainHurtBoy...2]

http://www.vg247.com/2011/09/08/the-day-i-realised-always-on-drm-moaners-have-a-point/

 

Read this. Seriously. To everyone that says people constantly have internet connection.

The fact of the matter is people don't even constantly have reliable connection at home, and people in many areas can be totally without Wi-Fi hotspots.

 

As mentioned in my other post I really don't think stopping piracy is the only, or maybe even the main reason for the always online DRM. It's almost definitely part of it, but you're oversimplifying.

Their reasons make sense from their perspective and is entirely in character with what they have been doing and how their attitudes (which individual developers display pretty publically on their forums) have been developing.

 

You are correct. I'll revise my statement.

I disagree with their attitudes, because they are hurting a portion of their fanbase.

[Keywork]

I never did take Europe into account but i have no clue how internet works over there other than that its better in some areas. Here in the US if someone has an internet connection that is not stable enough for an online game most of the time they get that fixed pretty damn quick. i personally live in a 40 year old apartment with exterior cable running in my walls as well as some horrible spliters. Call the company you pay and you get it fixed free of charge since you are paying for a rather expensive service. Other than that we have Wi-Fi running through each city and town through all sorts of company's from Mcdonalds to you name it. There is always Wi-Fi available somewhere here in the US. On the subject of those who say they are not gonna buy the game, Watch. I know i cant sit here and name names but slowly you will notice people stop bitching about the game and more of them playing it. it happens every time this happens.

Edited September 11, 2011 by Keywork

[MasterDex]

I know some of you don't want to give Kotaku hits but this article has plenty of people from all over posting speedtests in the comments. I think it's telling just how many people, even in the states, don't have quality connections. Also, how could you not take Europe into account? It's arguably where the largest slice of the PC pie is so it's certainly relevant in relation to Diablo III. Even stable connections can drop, go down for maintenance or slow to a crawl as contention reaches its peak. What then? Take Blizzard's advice and play something else? I think I will, Blizzard, and I'll buy it with the money I won't be spending on Diablo III.

 

No one is denying that some people will inevitably cave into their desire to play the game but I, at least, can say with staunch certainty that I won't be purchasing it, at least so long as I'm required to be online.

[mergedwarrior]

I'd like to enter exhibits A, and B.

 

A. being Starcraft 2, and Exhitbit B being Modern Warfare 2.

 

An exception to a rule or generality is just that, it's an exception and does not change the standard. God, how do people not understand this?

[Keywork]

I know some of you don't want to give Kotaku hits but this article has plenty of people from all over posting speedtests in the comments. I think it's telling just how many people, even in the states, don't have quality connections. Also, how could you not take Europe into account? It's arguably where the largest slice of the PC pie is so it's certainly relevant in relation to Diablo III. Even stable connections can drop, go down for maintenance or slow to a crawl as contention reaches its peak. What then? Take Blizzard's advice and play something else? I think I will, Blizzard, and I'll buy it with the money I won't be spending on Diablo III.

 

No one is denying that some people will inevitably cave into their desire to play the game but I, at least, can say with staunch certainty that I won't be purchasing it, at least so long as I'm required to be online.

You dont need a 22 MB connection to stay online, you can have basic DSl and be just fine and stable. If your internet is not stable its your providers fault and you need to get them to do something about it. If your at a school then you need to talk to your tech team and get them on it. Paying for internet of any broadband form and not having it stable is an issue that can be solved with a phone call and an appointment with your local ISP. As for not taking europe into account, i assumed you guys would have internet of the same speed as i do or even faster and i guess thats wrong to assume. Anyways i will agree that it is annoying but it certainly is not as huge of an issue as the majority of people who will actually play the game will have.

[MasterDex]

I know some of you don't want to give Kotaku hits but this article has plenty of people from all over posting speedtests in the comments. I think it's telling just how many people, even in the states, don't have quality connections. Also, how could you not take Europe into account? It's arguably where the largest slice of the PC pie is so it's certainly relevant in relation to Diablo III. Even stable connections can drop, go down for maintenance or slow to a crawl as contention reaches its peak. What then? Take Blizzard's advice and play something else? I think I will, Blizzard, and I'll buy it with the money I won't be spending on Diablo III.

 

No one is denying that some people will inevitably cave into their desire to play the game but I, at least, can say with staunch certainty that I won't be purchasing it, at least so long as I'm required to be online.

You dont need a 22 MB connection to stay online, you can have basic DSl and be just fine and stable. If your internet is not stable its your providers fault and you need to get them to do something about it. If your at a school then you need to talk to your tech team and get them on it. Paying for internet of any broadband form and not having it stable is an issue that can be solved with a phone call and an appointment with your local ISP. As for not taking europe into account, i assumed you guys would have internet of the same speed as i do or even faster and i guess thats wrong to assume. Anyways i will agree that it is annoying but it certainly is not as huge of an issue as the majority of people who will actually play the game will have.

 

The ISP's can't always do something about stability. If thinks break, they should be fixed but how about the patchy connections many get during storms? Ireland certainly has enough of those in these months. It's not a huge issue, no, you're right. However, it is an issue for some of us and we'd rather not have to deal with it, especially when some of us had no intention of playing Diablo 3 online...when we assumed we wouldn't be required to.

 

I'd like to enter exhibits A, and B.

 

A. being Starcraft 2, and Exhitbit B being Modern Warfare 2.

 

An exception to a rule or generality is just that, it's an exception and does not change the standard. God, how do people not understand this?

 

What do they exhibit? You may have to explain what you're getting at here if you want people to understand it.

[Keywork]

I know some of you don't want to give Kotaku hits but this article has plenty of people from all over posting speedtests in the comments. I think it's telling just how many people, even in the states, don't have quality connections. Also, how could you not take Europe into account? It's arguably where the largest slice of the PC pie is so it's certainly relevant in relation to Diablo III. Even stable connections can drop, go down for maintenance or slow to a crawl as contention reaches its peak. What then? Take Blizzard's advice and play something else? I think I will, Blizzard, and I'll buy it with the money I won't be spending on Diablo III.

 

No one is denying that some people will inevitably cave into their desire to play the game but I, at least, can say with staunch certainty that I won't be purchasing it, at least so long as I'm required to be online.

You dont need a 22 MB connection to stay online, you can have basic DSl and be just fine and stable. If your internet is not stable its your providers fault and you need to get them to do something about it. If your at a school then you need to talk to your tech team and get them on it. Paying for internet of any broadband form and not having it stable is an issue that can be solved with a phone call and an appointment with your local ISP. As for not taking europe into account, i assumed you guys would have internet of the same speed as i do or even faster and i guess thats wrong to assume. Anyways i will agree that it is annoying but it certainly is not as huge of an issue as the majority of people who will actually play the game will have.

 

The ISP's can't always do something about stability. If thinks break, they should be fixed but how about the patchy connections many get during storms? Ireland certainly has enough of those in these months. It's not a huge issue, no, you're right. However, it is an issue for some of us and we'd rather not have to deal with it, especially when some of us had no intention of playing Diablo 3 online...when we assumed we wouldn't be required to.

 

I'd like to enter exhibits A, and B.

 

A. being Starcraft 2, and Exhitbit B being Modern Warfare 2.

 

An exception to a rule or generality is just that, it's an exception and does not change the standard. God, how do people not understand this?

 

What do they exhibit? You may have to explain what you're getting at here if you want people to understand it.

Who knows, if enough people actually not buy the game because of this*Doubtful imho* it might be fixed. Always online with cash AH or offline without the cash AH which leads to those shady sites coming back. IDK, but i personally would rather have blizzard handling my transactions. Im more than likely going to use that AH by years end, stats mean everything! oh and about the storms, i never have an issue with them here in orlando when it comes to my connection nowadays. 9 months ago or something like that i had a ton of issues with the cables being so fucked that i got everyone in the condo to sign a form to allow the cable company to come out and fix the entire building+ the line that was running into it.

Edited September 11, 2011 by Keywork

[mergedwarrior]

 

What do they exhibit? You may have to explain what you're getting at here if you want people to understand it.

 

If you did a light google on the SC2 boycott or Modern Warfare 2 Boycott you'd know what's up. Both were pretty well known for their desire for dedicated servers/LAN play. But Whatevs!

 

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128462

[deanb]

You know there's next to nadda proof that anyone who said they would not be buying MW2 n SC2 actually bought the games btw. Just that people said they'd boycott, and high popular and heavily marketed games sold as much as expected.

[MasterDex]

 

What do they exhibit? You may have to explain what you're getting at here if you want people to understand it.

 

If you did a light google on the SC2 boycott or Modern Warfare 2 Boycott you'd know what's up. Both were pretty well known for their desire for dedicated servers/LAN play. But Whatevs!

 

http://www.teamliqui...topic_id=128462

 

I know about the boycotts but you just mentioned the games themselves so I didn't see where you were coming from. What about the boycotts anyway? That they failed? That people gave in? What are they exhibits for?

 

Modern Warfare 2 could be seen as a successful boycott as Activision have returned to dedicated servers. What reason would they have to do so if not for the talks of boycott and all the bad press they got as a result? Starcraft II was never a really strong boycott just as the Diablo III one isn't. However, there are plenty of people who didn't buy Starcraft 2 after saying they wouldn't.

 

I completely understand why some people may have no problem with this or may take issue but not care enough about it to avoid buying the game but none of that matters when I'm deciding whether to purchase the game or not. Beyond stating your own opinion on the issue at hand, what else is there to do other than belittle the decision and/or principles of those of us with a different opinion.

 

Plenty of people will buy Diablo III. There'll be some who'll buy it after saying they won't but you can be sure that there will be those of us who say we're not buying it and won't.

 

PS. I said I wouldn't buy MW2 and Starcraft 2 for the same reason as many others. I didn't buy them and I won't. An exception to the rule can quickly become the norm. Even if we're the exception, if publishers continue to push things on the consumer that many consumers don't like, they will feel the sting...and yet again, I'm reminded of Niemöller's quote.

Edited September 11, 2011 by MasterDex

[mergedwarrior]

If you look at the screenshot for "currently playing" in the group of "Modern Warefare 2 Boycott" you'd see they're all playing MW2.

[deanb]

I could join the MW2 steam group. I don't own MW2. From my understanding there was a fair few people who joined expressly to fuck shit up.

[MasterDex]

If you look at the screenshot for "currently playing" in the group of "Modern Warefare 2 Boycott" you'd see they're all playing MW2.

 

 

If you look at the screenshot, you'll notice only 19 out of 36 people from a group with 833 members are playing MW2. That only goes to show some people that joined the Steam group (far from the majority of people that said they wouldn't buy the game) bought MW2. If I was to use your logic (that one screenshot tells the whole story) then I could say that only 2.28% of people that said they wouldn't buy MW2 did and thus come to practically the opposite conclusion as you do.

 

That would be pointless as much as it would be absurd however as that one screenshot doesn't say all that much, despite your willingness for it to be otherwise.

 

What's the point of bringing up the screenshot? It doesn't further any argument you've made - not that you've really made one anyway.

Edited September 11, 2011 by MasterDex

[Chewblaha]

Upvoting all negative posts because I'm the only one who can have those.

[mergedwarrior]

What? Chewies here? I'M NOT DOING THIS!

[Chewblaha]

If you look at the screenshot for "currently playing" in the group of "Modern Warefare 2 Boycott" you'd see they're all playing MW2.

 

 

If you look at the screenshot, you'll notice only 19 out of 36 people from a group with 833 members are playing MW2. That only goes to show some people that joined the Steam group (far from the majority of people that said they wouldn't buy the game) bought MW2. If I was to use your logic (that one screenshot tells the whole story) then I could say that only 2.28% of people that said they wouldn't buy MW2 did and thus come to practically the opposite conclusion as you do.

 

That would be pointless as much as it would be absurd however as that one screenshot doesn't say all that much, despite your willingness for it to be otherwise.

 

What's the point of bringing up the screenshot? It doesn't further any argument you've made - not that you've really made one anyway.

 

 

Ho-lee shit! 833 people out of three million something are in a "fuck MW2" group!

[MasterDex]

If you look at the screenshot for "currently playing" in the group of "Modern Warefare 2 Boycott" you'd see they're all playing MW2.

 

 

If you look at the screenshot, you'll notice only 19 out of 36 people from a group with 833 members are playing MW2. That only goes to show some people that joined the Steam group (far from the majority of people that said they wouldn't buy the game) bought MW2. If I was to use your logic (that one screenshot tells the whole story) then I could say that only 2.28% of people that said they wouldn't buy MW2 did and thus come to practically the opposite conclusion as you do.

 

That would be pointless as much as it would be absurd however as that one screenshot doesn't say all that much, despite your willingness for it to be otherwise.

 

What's the point of bringing up the screenshot? It doesn't further any argument you've made - not that you've really made one anyway.

 

 

Ho-lee shit! 833 people out of three million something are in a "fuck MW2" group!

 

Holy shit! Yes! That screenshot and that Steam group aren't representative of the bigger picture. As I said in my previous comment:

That only goes to show some people that joined the Steam group (far from the majority of people that said they wouldn't buy the game) bought MW2.

 

So what's the point of your jab again? I know Johnny made an argument against my own and Keyworks made one too...I'm having a hard time seeing the arguments yourself and mergedwarrior have presented though....Hmmmm.

[Chewblaha]

Does it fucking matter in the end? The game sold upwards to 20 million copies. Pretty sure they don't give a shit when a fucking game sells more than 20 million copies.

 

The fucking bickering about this shit is pointless. It's a fucking Diablo III thread, not a "PC USERS REMEMBER ALL THE SLIGHTS THAT HAVE GONE AGAINST US" thread.

 

Go back to fucking complaining about how somehow in the year 2011, that people don't have a constant internet connection. Holy shit I got off dial-up three damned years ago and I'm 90% sure that I was one of the few dudes left in this world who had to suffer that fucking noise every time the internet loaded.

 

Just as there are some guys in the fucking sticks with McRib tattoos who think a vegan is some fucker from DBZ, there are SOME people without constant internet. Here's the truth behind the matter, from the corporate standpoint: MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE ARE AIMING TO SELL THIS GAME TO HAVE A CONSTANT INTERNET CONNECTION AND WE CAN MAKE THE MOST MONEY OFF OF THEM.

 

 

Goddamn I was having a good day and I come in here and read all this fucking complaining and holy shit I'm gonna go for a walk.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Chewblaha