deanb Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well I guess a picture says a thousand words on my general opinion Anyone here an Apple user/fan? Anyone up for deriding them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 lol, I'm an Apple fan as its what I grew up with. I interchange between them and MSFT PC systems pretty regularly and get along fine. They make decent stuff that's been high quality/ high cost in my experience. But certainly not a zealot for either OS or "side". Can't we all just, get along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I don't think the products are very high quality overall. OSX is... but hardware? Def not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I don't think the products are very high quality overall. OSX is... but hardware? Def not. I'll clarify. While it really isn't a big issue anymore as PC's have really gotten to be reliable and easy to use since XP, my Apple's just have not had problems. Even back in the early 90's etc. when you were lucky to go a session on a PC without some sort of crash, the Apple just worked. I think it is mainly that they optimize their software for their hardware. And its basically what it seems like they still concentrate on and is why they are decently successful. Stats/specs-wise they never are really the best. But they consistently pack the best user experience because it just doesn't vary. It's always been what I want, without the problems. Granted, I have only had 3 Apple computers. But each has been rock solid and the previous 2 lasted 10 years, without upgrades, maintaining their performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) I don't think their hardware selection is really that great. The things most likely to die on your Mac are your hardware. Your OS isn't going to crash constantly or anything like that.. but your battery is going to have shit battery life after 6 months, your HDD Is going to be needed to be replaced, etc. It seems their track record has gotten worse in regards to the quality of what's inside the box. Also, I never really thought that ipods/etc were very well manufactured. Not terrible, sure, but not the best quality for the price by a long shot. Once again, it comes down to user experience and focusing on interaction rather than longevity/build quality. Edited February 26, 2011 by Faiblesse Des Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I love apple products. My firs ipod, the old green and black screen one broke after about 3 years, but my classic 30gb ipod still worked when i sold it last year and i had bought it in 2006. My ipod touch 1st gen that i bought in 2008 still works perfectly and i can still play current games on it like sf4 and dead space on it. My laptop broke last year and im probably getting a macbook to replace it when i get the money. Despite all the shit they get and how overpriced they may be, they make quality shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirandello Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro, which I bring back home with me on weekends from uni. I got fed up with trying to choose between models and laptop manufacturers and went with this because I thought it'd be reliable. So far, it hasn't failed me yet. And being able to use Boot Camp makes things better since I can install games on this, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainHurtBoy...2 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 My G3 is still kickin' runs well, and is still rockin' OS 9, which is awesome, but my G5 is on its last legs and I've had to get it fixed a few times. My friends are Mac stalwarts, but their computers break down all the time. Modern Macs have nice build quality and are beautiful, but under the hood don't last very long at all. OS X is alright... I guess. I still prefer anything by Windows, and the fact that it's so god damned difficult to change basic functions of my computer on OS X seriously pisses me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Can't say I have such good memories using Apple products then again... that was back before 2005 or so. Then there the thing of watching my friends' iPod and stuff dying one after the other. Still kind of funny how they kept on getting it. I swear, some went through five or so. And no, I personally never owned any Apple product. Reasons As we all know, they are usually more expensive than other similar products. Combine it with those bad memories and witnessing some of the shortcomings... it really makes me don't want to get an Apple product. However, I'll say that beginning last year or so, I have taken a slight turn in opinion on how good the products are. The iPad is pretty sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'm writing this on a 2006 era Macbook (the white unibody one) I've upgraded the RAM, HDD and replaced the battery. So far it's decent for what I use it for but it's not like I can play any games on it but for watching movies and YouTube etc. or for just general surfing and typing something up. For anything serious, I use my desktop as my primary computer. I especially HATE Apples keyboards. Give me an IBM Model M and I'm happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) As far as iPods, I have only had 2, a first gen shuffle and the newest one I got fro free. Both work well for what they do and were dirt cheap. I do plan on possibly getting the classic in the not-too-distant future because I want something that can carry all of my music on the go. And at least for amount of GB's in a player, I have not seen anything on the market short of those archos mini tablets that comes close to the high storage as well as small form factor. My girlfriend wants the iPod touch but man, I do not want to plunk down that amount of cash for a touchscreen and SSD when the classic offers double capacity at a much lower price. I'm hoping she will just buy it herself. As for Apple phones, they are fine I suppose. I don't want a smart phone. I simply need it to make calls and send texts. Smart phones are just too big and I work a factory job, so I can't have something delicate like them on my person. Edited February 26, 2011 by Lemmiwinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoStarr Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 This always summed it up for me. Apple products just strike me as stuff that does a lot of things half-assed rather than a few specific things right. I'd rather pick and choose what I need for my computer and have it be modular if I want to update in the future; much easier to do with PCs. My mom and sister do the iPod thing. I once got a shuffle for christmas and traded it in for a generic mp3 player 3 days later. Paid half price for the same amount of memory and a screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I dislike the "walled garden" approach they have. It kind of started off as making things simpler for the end user but it's become like a death grip on consumers and developers. Their app approval policy is insanely arbitrary, and their increasing royalties on apps isn't going to earn them any fans. I think they'll ultimately piss it all away. The iPhone market that is. Unless something goes weird on Windows then I doubt they'll get much on the Mac side. As for Macs, they're fiddly to use, but that's maybe just part of using Windows a lot, it'd be the same the other way around. I dislike being forced to use them for digital creative work, especially when it's software that's on Windows. No reason to do so other than the stereotype. The Mac Pros haven't been updated for a while (cos they're expensive) so the Windows machines (Dell XPS I think, business grade machines) are much faster. Finally this year they realised that, and I think there's less n less lessons done in the Mac suites, it's more a general thing now. I think Toon Boom is the only one left, and FCP if folks want to use that. They're annoying too cos most of the folks with external drives are NTFS, and Macs don't support that. Oh yeah having to "quit" programs is a needless step. I kind of expect the program to close when I hit the red button. not just have the window pop away. Part of the reason they were so goddamn slow. As for iPods, I had a sansa. Half the price, same capacity as the nanos, just as slick. Served me well. No need to stick the apple bloatware on your PC to run it either. They may do nice looking hardware, but damn if they can't fuck up the software making process. I half think they do it on purpose. Make iTunes n Safari n all that lot run like crap on Windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2010/10/the-21st-century-guide-to-platform-trolling-apple-edition.ars/ good read. beyond that, I had an iPhone 3G, then a 3GS, had more problems with them than my current Samsung phone. Broken screens, laggy unresponsive touch screens, constant freezing. Before that, high school ruined macs for me. Our computer lab was mostly iMacs and a few G4s donated to us by an alum. We learned very fast to save often consistently; either the system or the network as a whole would crash / freeze constantly, and without warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Yeah our network did not play nice with the mac studio. Sometimes you'd boot up the PC and your programs wouldn't be there (due to it not connecting to the license server) or you home file would be missing. Or the teachers server wouldn't be playing nice with it. Very rarely would all three align. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I will remember the day when my highschool replaced those POS Macs with Dells. Hell, I think that was the reason I got a Dell a year later when my family was out computer shopping. So yeah, bad highschool experience with Macs doomed them to be hardly considered for purchase from me. Sure they changed but its hard to shake the memory of that era of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Everything before OSX= uggghhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Kagura Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I have a little bit of Apple in me. I use mostly their portable devices, like the iPod and iPhone. I also have a Mac Mini, but I haven't used it as much ... though, considering that I haven't been gaming on the PC in eons, I might consider purchasing a new Mac at some point. On the other hand, my brother bought himself a 27 inch iMac ... dude! That's like 4 inches bigger than my monitor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I have a little bit of Apple in me. Wouldn't that void the warranty? On the other hand, my brother bought himself a 27 inch iMac ... dude! That's like 4 inches bigger than my monitor! I've got a 28" TV/.monitor as my main screen, it's a very nice size. I'd never go bigger though. Housemate has a 32", only 4" more, but a world of difference in PC use. Good for when he watches films though. But that's a fraction of PC use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I've got a 28" TV/.monitor as my main screen, it's a very nice size. I'd never go bigger though. Housemate has a 32", only 4" more, but a world of difference in PC use. Good for when he watches films though. But that's a fraction of PC use. Is that because of how close you sit to a PC? Or would you not even have a big screen for a HTPC when you are sitting across the room from it? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Oh that's cos I'm using it as a PC. If it was a HTPC then I'd go as big as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 so how close are you to your 28" monitor, because if you sit 'normal' distance (less that a metre) then does the picture take up most of your vision so you have to 'look around' at the different corners of the screen? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 About 3 feet? And no, it's comfortably within my main vision. Obviously have to glance around to focus on stuff I'm looking at, but that's the same with the 19" right next to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 metres, Dean, metres! (no, before you say it: it doesn't matter that your monitor is in inches!) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Apple are filing a "Look & Feel" suit against Samsung. Samsung are the guys who make RAM, flash storage etc for Apples phones. I dunno about you guys but I wouldn't want to jeopardize relationships with the folks who supply the parts for my most critical product over something as silly as a look n feel claim. The App drawer is similar, there's not much to be done about that, grid like fashion is the way to go. The rest of Android however is pretty damn far away from iPhones look n feel. (Also I think that big Samsung logo up top might just tip people off that it's not the same thing. The buttons on bottom too) In other phone news they're also trying to trade mark "app store". MS are the main guys fighting it. Amazon are kinda fighting it passively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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