Thursday Next Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 It's a weird thing with that walled garden approach. I've seen people go to ridiculous lengths to jail break Apple products so that they can load Windows or run flash on their phones and such. Yet when you ask them "Why not get a device that does what you want to do out of the box?" they'll say "My [iDevice] just works!" Yes. Just works after hours of hacking, cracking, swearing and warranty invalidating it "just works" just fine. Apple's devices are a triumph of marketing. It's almost become a badge of honour to be willingly fooled by it. People will happily tell you that they are going to queue up for the launch of the [iDevice 1] even though "I know that [iDevice 2] will be out in about six months and will be much better." It's a form of consumer masochism. I think that's why people who don't buy Apple products are so against them. We see people repeatedly getting conned by the shady character playing cups and we want to shout "Can't you see this is all just a scam!?!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staySICK Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 You know what... let them. I hope Apple wins it. Touchwiz is a bloated mess, almost as bad as motoblur. And honestly, from actual reviews to layman's impressions, I've heard "iPhone envy" or "iPhone like" when talking about the Galaxy S and Touchwiz 3.0 interface and experience. I can kind of see it. Anything to get manufacturer's to actually think through what they put on top of Android before bogging it down with crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 While I think OEM's need to start making better UIs I still think apple shouldn't win. Cos if you can argue one android phone looks like yours... well that's a quick way to knock back the ever growing market share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Given that screens are rectangular, and touch screens have no buttons... the hardware couldn't really look too different. As for software, grid displays have been around for hundreds of years. The only thing I can see Apple having some sort of case on is the bottom row of icons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 The UI is dangerously similar to Apple's, even with a few tweaks. I just wish, whoever is responsible, would take more effort in separating their design from the concept of "Better iDevice." You know, something along the lines of, "It handles like one, but operates better. I swear!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 The only part that looks like an iPhone in the software is the app drawer, which, if you've used Android for any time at all isn't something you're in all day like the iPhone homescreen. The TouchWiz interface is bad bad bad though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 The only Android phone(s) I have experience with, more so brand, is Motorola. Those definitely have a different "look 'n feel," even with an app drawer. I was going off the posted image, primarily the right one. Just move a few icons (menu "dots," time, etc) and you would have something similar to an iPhone. Obviously there's more to it, but Apple might have some footing in their suit against Samsung if a portion of the phone does have "look 'n feel." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well this has been floating about: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 See, that's why Apple genuinely deserve to be hated - I won't be surprised if they start suing phone companies with front facing cameras now they've finally got around to implementing video calls - sorry face time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 In other Apple news: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-your-location-without-your-consent-and-why-it-matters.ars (It's been around the web all day, sorry only just getting round to this stuff while I'm on my "break") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R__ Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Apple is currently the biggest threat to online freedom, so I don't support any of their products. It used to be Microsoft, but now that Microsoft has been made irrelevant by VMware on the server side, plus the shift to mobile devices on the consumer side, they just don't have the level of control they used to. It used to be Microsoft that wanted only their own products to work online, and for a time they were successful. Now Apple has taken over that role. Apple wants to hide what used to be free behind paid apps. Everything will be monetized, and micropayments will be the norm. Nothing will be free anymore. Browsing will be made obsolete, and the app mentality will take hold on the desktop PC. This is Apple's goal. Of course, there will always be some push back, by the 1% of the population that actually cares. Hopefully it will be strong enough to ensure the internet stays relatively free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 that's... bleak, R__ What does "It used to be Microsoft that wanted only their own products to work online, and for a time they were successful." refer to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 In other Apple news: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-your-location-without-your-consent-and-why-it-matters.ars (It's been around the web all day, sorry only just getting round to this stuff while I'm on my "break") "So, is there anywhere you've been in the last year that you don't want anyone to know about?" Ummm... no actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted April 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 that's... bleak, R__ What does "It used to be Microsoft that wanted only their own products to work online, and for a time they were successful." refer to? You know how there used to be Netscape, then along came MS with IE, they bundled it with Windows, scored a large market share (even had IE on Apple PC's for a while). We're still feeling the effects. As it stands the App model pretty much compartmentalises the web. You don't just pick up a random browser then access any website. You click on an App, to view another "site" you use another app. Smartphones n Tablets are taking off in a big enough way that this app model will have an effect (especially now they've expanded it to their desktop). HTML5 should technically stem the growth by providing a way to make application like sites in compatible browsers. But it's still years from leaving draft and in the mean time different browsers are implementing different parts so it's all a bit messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 The way it was phrased I thought something else was meant - I don't thing microsoft bundling IE (they didn't actually restrict you from using other products?) isn't as bad as what Apple are doing with its apps. I thought R__ meant Microsoft actually tried to stop other people's programs working the way apple does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicariousShaner Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Well, my Snow Leopard disc, in which I just bought from a nearby apple store, refuses to work. When I insert it, it just waits a bit and then spits it out, without even an error message. YAY APPLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R__ Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Yeah, I'm mostly referring to IE, and the "embrace, extend, extinguish" mentality. Yes, what I say is bleak. That doesn't mean it won't happen. Businesses exist to make money, not protect your freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 http://www.apple.com/iphone/ "Amazing"... okay, sure thing. Sure is amazing when I recall a Chinese kid in Brooklyn selling the white cases a while back. Hell, I recall even Woz got one from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 http://www.pcpro.co....l-off-mac-os-x/ Makes some sense. Though some of the high end stuff would be weird. FCP wouldn't really fit the app model. But it can't jump ship to another OS cos it's owned by Apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra92 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Well, my Snow Leopard disc, in which I just bought from a nearby apple store, refuses to work. When I insert it, it just waits a bit and then spits it out, without even an error message. YAY APPLE! There are no CD keys on Snow Leopard so I'd try someone else's disc (or get it through other methods) http://www.pcpro.co....l-off-mac-os-x/ Makes some sense. Though some of the high end stuff would be weird. FCP wouldn't really fit the app model. But it can't jump ship to another OS cos it's owned by Apple. I find OS X to be a great operating system (it is Unix/BSD after all) but most of the super new features have been available in Linux for years. I wish some of the people who clean up OSX so well I also highly doubt Mac will give up on the market for things like Final Cut Pro. Professionals are chained to Macs for a reason. Of course, with Hackintoshes becoming more and more common I have to wonder when the Apple Tax will erode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 http://birdabroad.wo...ing-steve-jobs/ Wow China are getting bigger and bolder. Not just fake iPhones, but whole damn stores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRevanchist Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 But do they sell the iPed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Oh God I do need to know about this thread. I still hate Final Cut Pro X because it was just a stupid product that wasn't aimed at professionals. I mean yes it has it's pluses but god this is not what I wanted. I'm reminded of the whole Not like this, not like this line from the matrix. At least I do have good old AVID. Still I am sad that FCP7 is dead now... Speaking of which I need to buy OSX Lion but my safari and QT have updated and I see they have reading lists incorporated on safari now which isn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted August 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://blogs.wsj.com...s-as-apple-ceo/ Steve Jobs resigned. Given that he has been regarded as one of the meanest CEO's in the business I doubt he will be missed much by his staff. He's been on deaths door for the last half-decade so I image they're also pretty well set up to deal with him not being around. Tim Cook has pretty much being acting-CEO for most of that time already so the transition will be pretty smooth. Since Jonathan Ive was pretty much the guy who designed most of the stuff I'm sure they won't run out of new products. And the lawyers and photoshoppers are still around so Apple will be able to continue competing with Android too. All in all I don't think this will change much as a company, but the public perception will shift a bit since I think a fair few think Jobs designs and magics iPads and iPhones out of thin air himself. I suggest keeping an eye on this page. edit: lol https://twitter.com/#!/9GAG/status/106511090271264769 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Given that he has been regarded as one of the meanest CEO's in the business I doubt he will be missed much by his staff. Hahaha, I watched Pirates of Silicon Valley a few days ago and the movie portrays him as quite the abusive asshole as a boss. I was actually wondering how much (if any) of it was true. Edited August 25, 2011 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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