Apple

[fuchikoma]

Mainly, even if there's no convincing or agreement going on, I rephrased things because I at least wanted my position to be understood - yet it seemed like instead of a discussion, the points I was bringing up were just being talked past. "Why is X?" "Because Y." "Well yeah, but why is X?"

 

I also pointed out that the security flaw you'd posted about required close range of inches, which at that point pretty much all electronics are "vulnerable". That's why routers come with buttons, it assumes if you're physically close enough to push the button then you're close enough to be "secure" and not be someone hacking in from afar. And that point still stands, the "vulnerability" required close contact, you'd have to know who or what it is you're syncing with. Also look whos bringing in Android to the Apple thread.

And I already pointed out that similar assumptions were busted by well over two orders of magnitude with RFID. This will be the case until someone invents a way to make radio waves that only propagate so far before completely halting. I mentioned the Android thing because while each thread is its own discussion, this stuff doesn't exist in a vacuum either. There have been a few related discussions about smartphone/tablet OSes lately and I was talking about an overarching trend I've noticed on this forum.

 

Japan uses Emoticons. What world you in? And their "Emoji" isn't "more capable" because it's only working on iOS/OSX. There's more to it sure, but it's no more "capable" if it means 90% of users of SMS/web can't see them. To a degree it makes it less capable because if people can't see it then half the message is lost.

まあ、実は俺はもう十六年前から日本語を勉強するとよく日本のマスコミを使うので、文化と社会に詳しいです。 That is, I started studying Japanese 16 years ago and often make use of their various mass media, so I understand the culture and society rather well. That's the world I'm in. Japan uses kaomoji on phones and PCs, and emoji on phones. Emoticons as we know them - tilted smileys - are extremely rare. But go ahead and comb 2ch and tell me how many you see there. And if you think I'm saying something is more capable because of limited availability, you really are just talking past what I'm saying. You can do it on iOS, OSX, WinPhone, Win8 and Win7, pretty much anything on DoCoMo, KDDI or SoftBank (they are also standardizing now) and Android will catch up in time, but yeah, it's totally only an Apple thing. It's more capable because instead of a dozen smilies or two, there are pages and pages of possible images to choose from.

 

The funny thing with the new lighting connector and the comparison with USB is that while on one end it's lighting, on the other end its still:

The funny thing about their connectors is it depends what they decide to put on the other end. Sometimes it's USB. Sometimes it's a stereo system. Sometimes it's a TV. Sometimes it's even a HMD. At times it's been Firewire. For now, it can be USB. Later it could be Thunderbolt - that'd sure fit the Lightning theme. The Lightning connector has 8 pins. USB does not. Surely you don't think it's just an obfuscation of 4-pin USB?

 

I have already covered the next section to death. It's really double talk saying that USB does video output but Apple's video output was not standard. MHL is a rare and fledgling format that also dominates the data port while it's in use, and would require an adapter for most people to use, while analog video output goes to any TV, but yes, would require a cable to tap into it. At this point, an MHL TV is almost like an iPod stereo - an odd exception - except I bet there are more of the latter so far. It's not slander to say the iPhone will require adapters, even though it comes with a cable and USB charger the same as any phone's that obviates further adapters when charging or connecting to a computer... I guess the included adapter is an adapter. What is slander is saying they disregard open formats when they actively adopt and encourage them.

 

I don't get what you're saying "exactly" to in your post? An "open and standardized proprietary player" is still an oxymoron. You can't be "open" and "proprietary" at the same time. ODT is an open-standard. .doc isn't. one is open, one is proprietary, can't have a proprietary open standard.

Apple isn't MS Office, and even MS Office can use non-proprietary formats. I had said that Apple had opened, not that they were open-source. That is, they have moved more and more away from using unique proprietary formats to using and supporting common formats. Like Opera, they maintain proprietary design, but utilize open formats like Unicode or XML, ISO9660, UDF, USB and so on, or even common technologies like MP3 and X86. That may not be an "open and standardized proprietary player," but who knows what that's supposed to mean. Your words, not mine. I said they've opened up and standardized and they have. I said they're not much worse than any other proprietary player (MS for instance.) I stand by that.

 

Apple develop the software that the emoji is running on, I would hope they knew what people could and could not get access to and in which countries. I would hope somewhere in their documentation it says "Emoji is accessible in all international versions of iOS, not just Japan on Softbank carrier." If not, then what else is in iOS that Apple didn't mean to leave in? IT's in part of the OS that wasn't meant to be there, one would assume that given it uses an exploiting the SDK, rather than a documented API in the SDK, that it's something they were not meant to be able to do.

For god's sake. I already showed how they blocked apps that enabled it at first. You're not even reading my posts. I have to compare again, but I can show Android getting Swiss-cheesed with full-control privelege escalation exploits and it's waved aside, but if Apple has one loophole to allow enabling a keyboard, they've failed the world community. What they did was block it to the extent they could, and when they saw the overwhelming demand, they changed to a more universal implementation rather than pretend the whole thing didn't happen and live in a delusion. We've been over this. Like I said, if you ignore all the reasons, there are no reasons. So yeah, they're the bad guys. You win.

 

Not really the same issue at all, the Japanese and Korean characters aren't using the private space and display on a wide variety of devices and platforms. I can grab you some screenshots if you want?

The private area isn't made to be cross-compatible. It's still Unicode. Both cases are simply not having the symbols on hand to render it equally. You know what? Reading more here, it's not even private anymore. Emoji has been part of Unicode 6.0 for two years. But tell me again how it's just Apple throwing standards to the wind and making things that don't work with any other devices.

 

I am way too hungover to read through this.

 

I admire your wisdom. I can't let it rest - it's like quicksand - once you step in it, you decide you're not doing it again, but you still have to get out of it the first time.

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

I can't let it rest - it's like quicksand - once you step in it, you decide you're not doing it again, but you still have to get out of it the first time.

 

/everyinternetargumentever

 

But seriously, that's why I try to refrain from quoteathons these days. This forum already goes off-track easily enough as it is, when we build quote skyscrapers I feel like the arguments become exponentially more pedantic and off-topic.

 

Oh and hey, look at me, being off-topic. Something about Fiji's vs. Red Delicious.

[TheMightyEthan]

I basically stop reading when it gets to the point where I can't fit the whole comment on one screen.

[TheMightyEthan]

Alright, brought this back. Let's leave that old argument where it is, shall we?

[Thorgi Duke of Frisbee]

Sure. Also iPad Mini is going to be revealed a week from today. Get excited!

[TheMightyEthan]

What's the difference between an iPad Mini and an iPod Touch?

[Faiblesse Des Sens]

About 3 inches.

[Waldorf and Statler]

The difference is that one is intended to compete against the small tablets market, aka the Kindle Fire

[Mister Jack]

What's the difference between an iPad Mini and an iPod Touch?

 

I'd say about 200 dollars.

[Eleven]

I actually am excited about this. Been thinking of a 7-inch tablet to bring with me always. I hope it's not too expensive!

[Waldorf and Statler]

It's Apple. It'll be more expensive than the competition with their logic being "it's Apple. So it's automatically better"

[Eleven]

If you say so.

 

Leaks say otherwise. Hence, me hoping it wouldn't be.

[Luftwaffles]

I'd go with the Nexus 7 if you're looking for a 7 inch tablet. iPad Mini might turn out decent, but I doubt it'll have the kind of hardware that the N7 has for anywhere close to the price.

[Waldorf and Statler]

But it doesn't have the Apple symbol dawg. It means it's not worth your time.

[Eleven]

Come on, Spork. What's wrong with you? Do you want this thread to go missing again?

[Mister Jack]

Looks like the new ipod touch I preordered is getting sent out early. Definitely looking forward to getting that in the mail.

[Eleven]

Do you have a dog?

 

[Mister Jack]

My new ipod just came in the mail. Time to sync that bad boy and take it for a test drive.

 

And no, my dog didn't eat it.

Edited October 19, 2012 by Mister Jack

[deanb]

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-loses-u-k-samsung-appeal-must-run-apology-ads-7000005978/

 

Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, Apple lose their appeal and must run advertisements in UK papers, and on their own website, stating that Samsung did not copy their product design.

[Waldorf and Statler]

Good. Hopefully shit gets fixed in the US as well and obviously biased Judges aren't appointed.

[deanb]

http://www.apple.com/uk/

 

They've now added the judgement link up.

 

http://www.apple.com...egal-judgement/

 

Of course Apple are rather pissed mind, that stinger at the end..

 

 

(Which regarding the US court finding, USPTO have invalidated one. and more I think, of the patents used in that case. Which surely means that surely Apple just got $1billion for patents they didn't actually have yet?)

[TheMightyEthan]

(Which regarding the US court finding, USPTO have invalidated one. and more I think, of the patents used in that case. Which surely means that surely Apple just got $1billion for patents they didn't actually have yet?)

 

No, they were actually granted the patents, because the USPTO basically just grants every patent that is submitted until someone challenges it. If the invalidation holds up though then Samsung will likely win their appeal of the court case.

 

Also, I find it hilarious that the UK court said the Samsung stuff didn't infringe because it wasn't as cool as the Apple stuff.

[TheFlyingGerbil]

If I ever felt the desire to cheer on a multinational mega-corporation, it would be Samsung, and it would be now. Apple annoys me in a way any amount of gaming fanboyism doesn't even come close.

[deanb]

Hmm, reading some opinions around and about that their post is likely in contempt of court (especially with the bit at the end). But I don't know enough lawyery stuff to have an opinion on that, they're certainly being assholes about it

 

"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of OSX Leopard'."

[TheMightyEthan]

I'd have to see the original order to express an opinion on whether they're in contempt or not. The fact that they're basically saying "yeah, the UK said this, but other courts agreed with us so the UK court is wrong" seems like it could potentially be in violation of the order though.