Maritan Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I guess Mr. Walker haven't played any CoD game on Veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I guess Mr. Walker haven't played any CoD game on Veteran. If you can sightsee through the game on everything but the ultra-mega-hardest setting then there is (in my opinion) something wrong with the game. The BlOps video Dean linked to is on Hardened and required little if any input from the player beyond the "Press X Or Die" moments. Which is exactly what Walker was driving at. "Un-Game" is perhaps going too far, but it is very scripted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah, it'd be one thing if you could only do that on the easiest setting, but that was the second hardest. Saying "yes, but on the very most hardest setting you actually have to do something" isn't really doing all that much to refute the criticism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 BLOPS may have been like that as the video indicated; MW3 seemed less so surprisingly. What I'm saying is those scripted setpieces are bad and boring, but they don't comprise anywhere near the majority of the gameplay. The actual shooting areas are quite fun. I do think it's lame that they put that FOLLOW dot above your squad leader's head as though you're not capable of remembering who it is you're supposed to follow (BF3 did this too I think). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritan Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) If you can sightsee through the game on everything but the ultra-mega-hardest setting then there is (in my opinion) something wrong with the game. The BlOps video Dean linked to is on Hardened and required little if any input from the player beyond the "Press X Or Die" moments. Which is exactly what Walker was driving at. "Un-Game" is perhaps going too far, but it is very scripted. We both know CoD is aimed at wide(i.e. casual) audience, so it's natural that the game is easy on those difficulties. Also, isn't that a tutorial level(heh, I remember dying there on Veteran)? Hell, RAGE is a walk in the motherfucking park on Nightmare, but noone says a word, because, apparently, you kill enemies yourself and that means you "play" it. I do think it's lame that they put that FOLLOW dot above your squad leader's head as though you're not capable of remembering who it is you're supposed to follow (BF3 did this too I think). "Target Audience". Look at the comunity of both games, more than half of them confuses left and right. What I'm trying to say is that the game offers you a higher difficulty, and you have this choice of playing on easy or on hard, which changes the game dramatically. Speaking of polish: http://cloud.steampo...08675F83BAEA12/ Is that grammatically correct? I mean "A Orbital Recon" and not "AN Orbital Recon"? Edited December 5, 2011 by Maritan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you can sightsee through the game on everything but the ultra-mega-hardest setting then there is (in my opinion) something wrong with the game. The BlOps video Dean linked to is on Hardened and required little if any input from the player beyond the "Press X Or Die" moments. Which is exactly what Walker was driving at. "Un-Game" is perhaps going too far, but it is very scripted. We both know CoD is aimed at wide(i.e. casual) audience, so it's natural that the game is easy on those difficulties. But that was on a harder difficulty. Why is it natural that it's easy on Hardened? If you're playing Recruit, it's natural that it'd be easy, cos that's the easy mode. You shouldn't need to whack a game on up to the absolute hardest difficulty to get any degree of difficulty added at all. Speaking of polish: http://cloud.steampo...08675F83BAEA12/ Is that grammatically correct? I mean "A Orbital Recon" and not "AN Orbital Recon"? Yep it should be "an", it precedes a vowel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hell, RAGE is a walk in the motherfucking park on Nightmare, but noone says a word, because, apparently, you kill enemies yourself and that means you "play" it. Exactly, there's a difference between playing an easy game and a game playing itself while you watch. If Rage can make the game easy but at the same time, still require you to actually do stuff other than turn up at a checkpoint, then why can't CoD do the same? I'm happy to accept that not all of CoD is like this (I've not played it myself and have no desire to so I can't say either way what the % is actually like) but it is CoD's trademark in the single player FPS arena. They coined the whole scripted battlefield thing. Everything dies or blows up on cue so you can't really take things at your own pace. You go where the game tells you, when it tells you, and you wait there till it is time to move on. It's "movie-fied" gaming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) But that was on a harder difficulty. Why is it natural that it's easy on Hardened? If you're playing Recruit, it's natural that it'd be easy, cos that's the easy mode. You shouldn't need to whack a game on up to the absolute hardest difficulty to get any degree of difficulty added at all. But why only two first levels? Not three? Not the whole campaign? I think I need to try that with MW3. And "any degree of difficulty added at all" is quite an understatement. CoD on Veteran is Ninja Gaiden among shooters. Exactly, there's a difference between playing an easy game and a game playing itself while you watch. If Rage can make the game easy but at the same time, still require you to actually do stuff other than turn up at a checkpoint, then why can't CoD do the same? Still, you have the choice of difficulty. If it's too easy for you I don't see any problems with changing it. But I geuss only retards like me care about such things. btw, I remember when people complained about NPCs in CoD being useless, now they complain about them being too helpful. Edited December 6, 2011 by Deanb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 So you think an acceptable difficulty curve is: 1. Sit back and do nothing. 2. Sit back and do nothing. 3. Sit back and do nothing. 4. "Ninja Gaiden". I shouldn't have to make a choice between cake walk and hair pulling frustration. Hardened should be difficult, it should at least require your participation if nothing else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Well, it certainly requires your participation, if you know what I mean. I've tried that pacifist trick with "Black Friday" and that French beach mission in MW3, and... wow, they've really lowered the difficulty. I guess that's why I thought that MW1 was the hardest among modern(health-regeneration era) CoDs. It's possible to reach jewelry shop in "Black Friday" but I stopped trying to pass it after the fifth death. It's also possible to play that way on veteran, but enemies have much better aim, so you won't get far. And, of course, the whole game is not like that. Personally, I don't give a damn. I pay my money and receive the product that I want. Edited December 6, 2011 by Maritan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 And that's fine, no one's saying you can't like Call of Duty. But that doesn't mean it's flawless. I mean, I said above: I still enjoy playing Call of Duty a lot... The rest of the quote, so I'm not misquoting myself, though the above is the only part relevant to my point: but I recognize that that's a very valid criticism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 So you think an acceptable difficulty curve is: 1. Sit back and do nothing. 2. Sit back and do nothing. 3. Sit back and do nothing. 4. "Ninja Gaiden". I shouldn't have to make a choice between cake walk and hair pulling frustration. Hardened should be difficult, it should at least require your participation if nothing else. Hardened is difficult. Again, maybe BLOPS was different; I don't know. I usually play through COD on Hardened for just the right level of challenge, though I replayed MW3 in Veteran as well. The problem here is that for years we had terrible, useless AI companions in singleplayer games who would die at the first sign of battle, so Call of Duty came along and wanted to give more of a full-scale war with AI friendlies who actually did something. In an actual battle, if you chicken out and hide behind a pile of sandbags while the fighting goes on, the rest of your unit will probably go ahead and win anyway. Maybe in some cases, IW/Activision haven't found the balance between letting you be the star in the action and making you feel like a smaller part of a big war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harri Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Call Of Duty:Black Ops 2.It seems to be a mix of old school manshoot we come to hate/love plus Battlefield 2142. It supposedly has pilotable vehicles and branching, non-linear storyline. I'm honestly intrigued on where Treyarch takes the plot and the multiplayer of BO2, as I quite enjoyed the single player of Black Ops and the multiplayer of BO wasn't as terrible as MW2. Edited May 2, 2012 by Harri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Eh, I'll probably went it for $2/day from Redbox like I did the first BLOPS for the single player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Looks... Interesting... Dare I say a bit shark jumpingy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I wish Steam had a rental service, cause that looks interesting enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritan Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Day one buy. Haters gonna hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I'm sure you won't be alone in that. It's the first CoD that has piqued my interest since CoD:4 MW, but I'm not gonna day one it. Suckers gonna suck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritan Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I'm sure you won't be alone in that. It's the first CoD that has piqued my interest since CoD:4 MW, but I'm not gonna day one it. Suckers gonna suck? What's so special about it? It will be the same as previous CoDs with minimal deviations. I just hope the map design will be better than in blops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftwaffles Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I'm sure you won't be alone in that. It's the first CoD that has piqued my interest since CoD:4 MW, but I'm not gonna day one it. Suckers gonna suck? What's so special about it? It will be the same as previous CoDs with minimal deviations. I just hope the map design will be better than in blops. I'm mostly interested in the new setting. The gameplay will likely (and hopefully) be the same, but I'm sort of interested to see how they pull of future weaponry while still keeping to the COD roots of having loads and loads of guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thursday Next Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I'm sure you won't be alone in that. It's the first CoD that has piqued my interest since CoD:4 MW, but I'm not gonna day one it. Suckers gonna suck? What's so special about it? It will be the same as previous CoDs with minimal deviations. I just hope the map design will be better than in blops. "pilotable vehicles and branching, non-linear storyline." Seem to be more than minor deviations from the formula of follow man, shoot other mans + on rails vehicle stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Looks like Battlefield 2142. My concern with the new setting is that they don't leap far enough into the future. A space marine-type COD might be new enough to pique my interest, but with the tech used in the Modern Warfare series already looking futuristic enough, this just seems like a tiny step up. Also, were those horses in that trailer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) I am a little excited about near future but I was actually hoping for a not near future COD in the style of BF2142. Edit: Dang P4 beat me to it ^ Edited May 2, 2012 by Yantelope V2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I agree that it's the first one that's piqued my interest since MW, due almost entirely to the setting. I hope they don't mess with the moment-to-moment gameplay much though. The thing with me is that I'm weird and not interested in multiplayer, it's only the singleplayer parts of games that I'm interested in. This means that for me setting/story change is a huge factor because otherwise it just feels like the same game over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4: Gritty Reboot Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Same here, Ethan. With the exception of co-op, COD interests me solely for the singleplayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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