MasterDex Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I was very confused when I saw you were the creator of this thread. The journey of life takes men to strange places, where mysteries abound and darkness reigns. What was once apparent truth can become inconsolable gibberish. Religion, most of all, is a journey. I know few men that believe the same things they did as a child, and I think that's important. How can you respect someone whose beliefs have not evolved with their knowledge and experience? Well said. I started life as a Catholic but even by the time I was making my confirmation, I had become disillusioned with the church. Turning away from Catholicism, I started down the rabbit-hole of the occult, reading the writings of Crowley, among others, before settling on LaVeyan Satanism for a few years. When I was around 16 or 17, I decided that I had no need for any religion at all and began considering myself an Atheist, as I do to this day. Still, Catholicism, Crowley, Lavey and the writings of other spiritual leaders have instilled in me the laws that I live by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Battra92 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 http://yfrog.com/esmvkyvj heh I really think people don't understand those of us are religious. When someone asks me about my religion and I explain what Christians believe it comes from the joy that we as believers have every day in knowing God. I don't get where Atheists can post this sort of stuff and be genuinely befuddled that people think they are jerks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I don't get where Atheists can post this sort of stuff and be genuinely befuddled that people think they are jerks. Yep, sure, atheists are jerks when they make jokes such as this, but you make ignorant statements such as "atheists believe they are omniscient" and generally attack science because it doesn't follow your religion. Do you see how hypocritical this is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 No, what is hypocritical is how athiests and darwinists post things like that and then champion teaching evolution in schools. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Are you serious? There's a very clear and important difference between teaching a personal belief and teaching something supported by facts. The image is making the point that you should not shove your personal beliefs, which is not based in evidence, down people's throats. At this point, arguing that evolution doesn't exist is a bit like arguing that the world is flat. You can see it in action every time you crossbreed two races or dogs, or every time a virus strain mutates. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 http://yfrog.com/esmvkyvj heh I really think people don't understand those of us are religious. When someone asks me about my religion and I explain what Christians believe it comes from the joy that we as believers have every day in knowing God. I don't get where Atheists can post this sort of stuff and be genuinely befuddled that people think they are jerks. As the image says, it's fine to follow a religion, and fine to find meaning and purpose in it. The problem comes when religious people start using their religion to push others about(see opposition to gay marriage, abortion, etc), or "shove it down kids throats". i.e teaching creationism in schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Are you serious? There's a very clear and important difference between teaching a personal belief and teaching something supported by facts. The image is making the point that you should not shove your personal beliefs, which is not based in evidence, down people's throats. Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Religion is like a penis: you can...pee out of it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Are you serious? There's a very clear and important difference between teaching a personal belief and teaching something supported by facts. The image is making the point that you should not shove your personal beliefs, which is not based in evidence, down people's throats. Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. "Indoctrinating the youth"? Right, because WE'RE the ones pushing Creationist textbooks in classrooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. Wait wut? Dude do you or any of your family take the yearly flu-vaccines? You do know what you just said right? Not like a typo or something? I shall refer you to one of my favourite quotes from Dara O'Brien: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0123R6vjIoE#t=143s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixTwoSixFour Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. So, what, you think they should teach the pinnacle of bad science, creationism? Evolution may not be perfect, but at least it follows the basic principles of science- use the results to form your theory, not your theory to form your results. Creationism is saying "We believe a god created a world, let's see what things exist in the world that we can distort into supporting that view." Evolution is "this is how the world is, this is what we see when we look around us, what could that mean?" Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc- it doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. Wait wut? Dude do you or any of your family take the yearly flu-vaccines? You do know what you just said right? Not like a typo or something? I shall refer you to one of my favourite quotes from Dara O'Brien: http://www.youtube.c...3R6vjIoE#t=143s You guys are pretty much proof of the indoctrination if you believe that evolution is a proven fact. Who is believing what they're told now? @6264: I'm not saying we should be preaching creationism in school. I'm saying we present things as facts that are anything but as evidenced in this here thread. Edited February 15, 2012 by Yantelope V2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faiblesse Des Sens Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 No, what is hypocritical is how athiests and darwinists post things like that and then champion teaching evolution in schools. So, you have a better grounded, scientific alternative with more proof? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) We don't even have to be talk about evolution if you want to talk about ramming your beliefs down other people's throats. Try watching some prime time television and pretend your a christian and tell me you don't feel insulted every 5 minutes. There may be people cramming their views down other people's throats but in my personal experience it's the liberal views I'm constantly being forced to choke on. Oh, and I'm told their facts too while they're at it. Edit: Careful Johnny or you'll run out of negs for the day again. Edited February 15, 2012 by Yantelope V2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgi Duke of Frisbee Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. Wait wut? Dude do you or any of your family take the yearly flu-vaccines? You do know what you just said right? Not like a typo or something? I shall refer you to one of my favourite quotes from Dara O'Brien: http://www.youtube.c...3R6vjIoE#t=143s You guys are pretty much proof of the indoctrination if you believe that evolution is a proven fact. Who is believing what they're told now? @6264: I'm not saying we should be preaching creationism in school. I'm saying we present things as facts that are anything but as evidenced in this here thread. OK, then, where are your facts? We have ours derived from centuries of study and countless research from cultures all over the world. You have yours from a musty old book thousands of years old that's more of a collection of Aseop's Fables, stories to keep the wee ones in line and following the marching orders of their parents, the church. Our older ideas and theories have been disproven, but from those ashes came facts and evidence more concrete than the last. We're open to change and any sort of new discovery. Your "good book" has never been properly updated when facts came around that disproved its theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingGerbil Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Religion is like a penis: it burns when you're naughty. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanb Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Evolution is anything but a fact. Really, if anyone is indoctrinating the youth these days it's the liberal bias in classrooms and certainly in universities. All the while talking about tolerance and fairness. Wait wut? Dude do you or any of your family take the yearly flu-vaccines? You do know what you just said right? Not like a typo or something? I shall refer you to one of my favourite quotes from Dara O'Brien: http://www.youtube.c...3R6vjIoE#t=143s You guys are pretty much proof of the indoctrination if you believe that evolution is a proven fact. Who is believing what they're told now? @6264: I'm not saying we should be preaching creationism in school. I'm saying we present things as facts that are anything but as evidenced in this here thread. But it is fact. We have millions of years of fossil records. And on the micro scale, the already mentioned Flu Virus. Of which evolves at such a relatively rapid rate it requires constant inoculation to protect from. Humans ourselves are growing taller each generation (Though US might not notice so much, but yeah, gotta say the older buildings around here sure are a pain to traverse now we're like 6ft+) I honestly don't understand how anyone could just stare evolution in the eye and flatly deny that it exists, it happens, and is happening right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) The specific understanding of the mechanics of evolution that we have is almost certainly flawed in some way, but that evolution occurs is an indisputable fact. Sort of like how relativity is almost certainly not 100% right in every way (and Newtonian physics definitely isn't), but no one's arguing that gravity doesn't exist. *Edit* - To deny evolution is to deny the existence of drug resistant bacteria, or the various breeds of dogs. Edited February 15, 2012 by TheMightyEthan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 You're basically saying that because you have some evidence then it's a fact. It doesn't work like that. You interpret the evidence as you want it but it's still only evidence. You don't have a fact that evolution occurs or takes place. Also, it's become quite amusing to me but if you listen to a lot of nature programming the way people describe evolution it's as if the process itself is intelligent. They talk about all the amazing things evolution does and produces. They discuss evolution as if it is intelligent and bringing forth life. How is that not a religious doctrine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Also, in the internet age I'm sure we could throw pages and pages of "facts" back at each other all day long. Your point is not more factual than mine is though just because you believe it more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 You need to separate the terms "fact" and "theory". In science, a theory is a model used to explain the facts. For a scientific theory to stand it has to be able to withstand serious scrutiny (so-called peer review) from the scientific community. Evolution is a standing scientific theory which is not *fact*, but has stood up to decades upon decades of scrutiny. The scientific theory of evolution is not strictly speaking fact, but it is the model which all the facts support. It's not going to be completely disproved at this point, though some details of the theory are likely to be improved. Unless you want to believe that god is intentionally misleading us by making it look like it's true. In which case: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantelope V2 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yeah, it's easy to stand up to peer review when there's no way to disprove something like evolution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 What? No, what are you talking about. If evolution was wrong, it would be pretty simple to disprove it. There would be mountains of evidence showing that species do not slowly change over time (which is what evolution is). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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