TheMightyEthan Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I wish we had a rabbit emote with him just doubled over with laughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 TC had the right idea. You guys are the worst! I'M LEAVING THE FORUM TOO! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Super heroes cooler than Batman: Wolverine The only Canadian who could possibly be cooler than Batman is Nathan Fillion. Maybe I'm just xenophobic. Okay, I'm done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCP Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 OH MY GOD WHAT IF NATHAN FILLION PLAYED BATMAN! NERDS MINDS WOULD EXPLODE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I feel like Arkham Origins is a great game but people have negative opinions on it, because it doesn't really do anything new. I know you guys have played it. Is that really the problem? I heard the story is very good and the boss fights as well. And there are also bugs. But I get the impression they're not game breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I enjoyed the main story and the boss fights, it's everything else I had a problem with. There was something seriously off about the combat, more than half of the map is re-used from Arkham City and most of the side stuff was samey and not really interesting. Also, I know a lot of people hated the big twist. I didn't but unlike most people I'm not sick of the character in question so I'm in the minority there. Mostly, I think Origins' biggest sin is that it failed to live up to previous games' quality. For example, Uncharted 3 was slightly disappointing compared to Uncharted 2 but it was still miles ahead of Uncharted 1. Whereas I honestly feel like Origins was the worst of the series. It didn't need to exist and it hurt the series, plain and simple. My hype for Arkham Knight would be through the fucking roof if I'd been waiting for it since 2011. Contrary to what publishers seem to believe, I can go more than 2 years without an installment in a given series. But I played a phoned in, me-too sequel less than a year ago. So, while Arkham Knight looks great, I'm not anticipating it anywhere near as much as I did City back then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) I disliked it for various reasons, more severe than not trying anything new. There were a few combat tweaks that ruin it. It's a bit faster, which would be forgivable if I didn't notice annoying little control 'hiccups' that kill your flow. They throw loads more enemies at you, which makes for a nice challenge... until you get a certain gadget that pretty much makes it really easy and turns everything into a button-masher, which the series never was. Finally, the counter-counter mechanic with the ninja is just clunky. They also introduced a somewhat overpowered gadget for Predator rooms that makes them a lot easier, too. I suppose you could not use it, like with the combat one, but then things get needlessly difficult without it. The game is about excess more than refinement. The boss fights all sound good, but they're all completely lame. The devs touted Mr. Freeze from Arkham City as an inspiration, but they certainly don't show it. QTE, QTE, QTE. Style over substance. That said, uh... the story's okay and the Batman character model looks pretty awesome. Like FLD said, it doesn't really need to exist and I hope WB Games Montreal are never given another Arkham game. Plus, I seem to remember some rumblings about there still being game-breaking bugs but them pretty much saying, "We're not fixing them anymore, we're doing this rubbish DLC." Edited July 25, 2014 by Hot Heart 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 The DLC wasn't rubbish, it was better than the main game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Heart Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I heard maybe the Mr. Freeze one was alright, but I watched a playthrough and it looked pretty lame. Then I think FLD or someone mentioned the Bruce Wayne initiation stuff was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Wasn't me, I haven't played any of the DLC yet. I really need to stop buying these fucking season passes... edit: And to expand on the didn't need to exist bit, that might seem like fairly mild criticism but I feel like it's one of the worst things you could possibly say about a game. It's one thing for a game to be poorly made, even bad games will usually have some redeeming qualities. But when it just feels unnecessary, when its very existence is a negative mark against a series... I dunno, seems like a pretty severe failing. Oh and I totally hated how when you countered it broke your combo. That was so stupid. Edited July 25, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oooh there's a big twist... Now that I know, I wonder if I'll see it coming? makes for a nice challenge... until you get a certain gadget that pretty much makes it really easy and turns everything into a button-masher, which the series never was. Finally, the counter-counter mechanic with the ninja is just clunky. They also introduced a somewhat overpowered gadget for Predator rooms that makes them a lot easier, too. I suppose you could not use it, like with the combat one, but then things get needlessly difficult without it. The game is about excess more than refinement. I saw these. I... would probably enjoy those But I realize only a few people will (not the majority of internet posters anyway). I'm not much of a fan of the holding multiple buttons to counter. I couldn't even avoid knives properly, I just jump over them. From what I've heard boss battles were really good, and there are QTEs but unlike GOW style QTEs and you have "more control". I guess this is something I just have to find out myself. "Shouldn't exist" seems a bit harsh. But "more of the same" is fine with me as long as the previous one was good (hello Assassin's Creed). In any case, I know what to expect. I was going to buy it anyway, I just wish I did it when it was on sale. But I really want to play it now... so thanks for the info! About game-breaking bugs though: I don't know why I even mentioned it, it's not like it'll affect my enjoyment of the game. I don't remember being annoyed by a game breaking bug. I do think that I've encountered some, but I abused it anyway. Unless it's something that will literally prevent me from continuing then fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Aw shit, sorry. The way you were talking about it, I thought you had already played it. :/ And I just expanded on the didn't need to exist thing. Yes, it's harsh and I stand by it. More of the same can be fine. Unnecessary is pretty bad, though. Only other game that comes to mind off the top of my head is Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Edited July 25, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 And to expand on the didn't need to exist bit, that might seem like fairly mild criticism but I feel like it's one of the worst things you could possibly say about a game. It's one thing for a game to be poorly made, even bad games will usually have some redeeming qualities. But when it just feels unnecessary, when its very existence is a negative mark against a series... I dunno, seems like a pretty severe failing. That's like the worst you could say about any game. I don't think it's THAT bad from what I've seen and heard. It seems to me you just really dislike it because you like the first two games so much and you were disappointed here... I'm pretty sure this game is A LOT better than, well, a lot of other games you could buy when it came out. Being based on the previous two good arkham games and all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) That's the thing, I don't dislike the game. Like I said, I enjoyed the main story. I regret neither the 30 bucks I spent on it nor the 30 or so hours I spent in it. But I also don't believe a sequel can be judged entirely on its own merits. Not when it falls so short of its predecessors. It's not that it's a bad game but rather that it's a bad entry in the Arkham series. Does that make more sense? Edited July 25, 2014 by FLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 That's the thing, I don't dislike the game. Like I said, I enjoyed the main story. I regret neither the 30 bucks I spent on it nor the 30 or so hours I spent in it. But I also don't believe a sequel can be judged entirely on its own merits. Not when it falls so short of its predecessors. It's not a bad game but it is a bad entry in the Arkham series. Does that make more sense? It does! We've had that conversation about that sequel that won't be named. So I kinda figured that's what you meant. I just felt the comment was a bit unfair. And I don't think you should say that about a game you spent 30 hours on! It's a bit... misleading... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorrrr Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just to throw in my two cents... I don't even know what I didn't like about Arkham Origins. Even if I took out the story and how unnecesary it felt, it just... Didn't match up for me. Maybe I was just sick of the same thing that the previous two games gave me since the combat was basically the same... I honestly don't know. I just know that I barely got through a quarter of it, I didn't enjoy it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyEthan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I heard maybe the Mr. Freeze one was alright, but I watched a playthrough and it looked pretty lame. Then I think FLD or someone mentioned the Bruce Wayne initiation stuff was awful. Oh yeah, I was talking about the Freeze stuff, never played initiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) It does! We've had that conversation about that sequel that won't be named. So I kinda figured that's what you meant. I just felt the comment was a bit unfair. And I don't think you should say that about a game you spent 30 hours on! It's a bit... misleading... Wait, what sequel? Totally drawing a blank there. And sorry, I don't see how it's misleading. I was forthcoming about having enjoyed some parts of the game from the start. Like you said, it's still based on the Arkham games and those were pretty good. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize the game for its failings. And make no mistake, it does have some pretty serious failings. Oh wait, you mean Dragon Age 2! Right. Yeah, no. That's a completely different kind of bad. Origins isn't THAT bad! Like I said in that thread, I couldn't stand more than 10 hours of Dragon Age 2. Origins didn't need to exist but Dragon Age 2 should be retroactively erased from existence. Edited July 25, 2014 by FLD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oh wait, you mean Dragon Age 2! Right. Yeah, no. That's a completely different kind of bad. Origins isn't THAT bad! Like I said in that thread, I couldn't stand more than 10 hours of Dragon Age 2. Origins didn't need to exist but Dragon Age 2 should be retroactively erased from existence. Oh I agree 110%. Dragon Age: Origins is a thing that shouldn't exist! That thing is awful! Yes yes I know what you mean! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangelove Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Besides the bosses, the game only really introduces 2 new things - a new enemy and a new weapon....a weapon that was actually in the Wii U version of AC. Everything else is more or less reskinned Arkham CIty assets. The boss battles are seriously overrated in Origins too. Theyre not any better than the other 2 games, theyre just flashier. Specifically the Deathstroke fight everyone seems to love. It's a qte with cool looking fight choreography. And even the last boss fight is a reskinned fight from City as well. On the other hand, I think Origins has the superior art direction and character designs. Origins easily has the best Batman costume in any Batman videogame. For the most part, they really didnt fuck anything up that City did. Im not expert though, so maybe Im wrong on that. And I will say the the story is better written than either Asylum or City. Its nothing too exciting though. I was just numb to most of the game. It's not bad, but it didn't really push the series forward either. I know it's made by a different team, but even then that game made me feel Batman'd out. Im not super excited about Knight now because of Origins. I just felt worn out by the end of it. I was going to compare Origins to Assassins Creed: Revelations, but Revelations had a whole new city and new minigames. So I cant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oh I agree 110%. Dragon Age: Origins is a thing that shouldn't exist! That thing is awful! Yes yes I know what you mean! I liked you better when you went by eleven... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eleven Posted July 25, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Fine. I take it back. We're cool now, right? Want some combos? It's all the rage these days. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicitizen Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 What the hell is that? I can't decide if it looks tasty or gross... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorgiShinobi Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Some Combos are tasty, the rest are typical American snack food caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post deanb Posted July 27, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Wait there's people that like the Deathstroke battle? I found it overly long and super dull and boring. If it was just a third of the length it'd have been fine, but instead it was a major grind. Not great on my thumbs either. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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