Demoers? What? Is this a new subgroup of gamers? If by demoers, you mean consumers then yeah, you're damn right we feel entitled. We're handing our money over for goods and services. As a consumer, I reserve the right to choose what to buy and what not to buy. Like Dean said, I don't buy games to feed developers and fatten corporations. I buy games to play games; to get enjoyment from games. The whole concept of buying and playing games for enjoyment (aka Fun, aka Entertainment, aka Joy) and feeling you're entitled to decide what's fun to you personally is a bogus concept?! That's real fuzzy logic there, Yantelope. It's also not that I feel cheated if I don't get enjoyment, cheated is a very strong word. I feel I have wasted my money and money certainly isn't growing on trees for me.
You don't have to be omniscient to know whether you would or wouldn't buy. We know who we are. We know what we would do. We know how our minds work. Why is that so hard to agree with? Certainly, you know yourself pretty well? I know myself better than I know any other person. In this hypothetical world where omniscience is the only way to know one's self, does every adult (We are all adults in this back and forth, aren't we?) fear that they may one day become a serial killer? That they may one day become a heroin junkie? I'll let you answer those.
If I had money, yes, but growing up in a less-than-rich family meant I had to rely on my parents to buy me games. Yes. I confess. I was once a child whose parents made purchasing decisions for them.
You'll have to clarify there. Until the internet was invented? Wasn't alive. Until I had access to the internet? No, I played many a game before I had access to the internet. I take it you're really asking did we ever play a game before demos and internet game piracy was around then yes, of course and I'll go into greater detail now.
You have been reading what we've been typing here, right? I'd really hate to feel like I've wasted all this time talking to a brick wall.
I believe I've expressed much the same sentiment more than this over the last few pages. What you are doing is assuming that we are pirating every single game that interests us. We are not. As I've said, (again, more than once), sometimes, RARELY, a game will interest me enough for me to say "Oh! What's this?" but not enough for me to slap down my limited funds and I will try it before I buy it. If there's a good demo out? Great! If not, I MIGHT just pirate it. Again, in rare cases, I might pirate a game, to see if I will gain enjoyment from it - the key factor in determining whether I buy a game or not.
Simply put, yes. My time was wasted if I didn't enjoy the GAME. My money was wasted if I didn't enjoy the GAME.
Yes, I am. Believe it or not, I don't even have to pirate a game to get entertainment I didn't pay for. Shocking, I know!
Firstly, I'd like you to define a normal person. Secondly, I'd like you to type in 'PC games' and 'refunds' into google or whatever search engine you prefer and see what you come up with.
What a cop out! Game companies are selling me the opportunity or an attempt at entertainment but they're not selling enjoyment?! Are they not good enough to sell pure joy? Game companies can make all the attempts they want at entertainment and I'll buy many of those great attempts at entertainment. Why? For entertainment (aka Fun, aka...). As a consumer, I reserve the right to determine what I spend my money on. Where games are concerned, the key factor in determining whether I will buy a game is how much I think I will enjoy it. In other words, how much entertainment I believe I can get from it. Should I start feeling bad for all the games I couldn't even be bothered to try let alone buy as well as the few I've pirated because I didn't deem them worth my time or money?
You're confusing morality with legality. It's a common mistake but a mistake nonetheless. MORALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS LAWS. This has been said already. You are free to believe that it is morally wrong to pirate a game or break any law whatsoever just as you're free to believe there is a god and heaven waits for you after death. I'm free to believe otherwise. We can share our beliefs in a mature, understanding way. You don't need to force your morals onto us however and I'd be grateful if you'd stop trying.
You can't possibly know that right there because you did pirate the game.
Yes, I can possibly know that right there because, as I said, due to past experiences with the series, I had absolutely no intention of buying another NFS game. My pirating of NFS Shift however was a chance for EA to gain a sale from me. If I liked what I played then they would have themselves 1 extra sale. I did not enjoy the game, as I had not enjoyed its recent predecessors. Look at that! Piracy has the opportunity to sell a game to someone?! HOW CRAZY IS THAT!!
It's hard to name a game I may not have bought because I couldn't pirate them because I can't recall, as Dean said, a game that I would not have been able to pirate if I had wished to do so. If I had wanted a game that I could not pirate, I may not have felt I needed to pirate the game. Your argument is based entirely around hypotheses and conjecture, The logic here is also contradictory. You go on to quantify the amount of games we didn't buy because we couldn't pirate them, tell us what we know and then say our argument is invalid because we can't know such an answer and you're right. 0 is not the sum. The sum is n. It's a variable figure. There's no way to know how many games I didn't buy because I couldn't pirate them because there are too many variables involved for me to give an example to your hypothetical conditions.
You really don't want to start down that road. I can bring ALL the studies you like to the table. But I won't. It wouldn't change your narrow-minded views. Also, that you respect fuchikoma less for researching marijuana before trying it makes me respect you less, a great deal less I have to say.