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In terms of OS based crashes it's probably the most stable version of Windows. In terms of drivers/hardware/etc fucking things up its on par with Windows 7 as there's only so much they can do. At least the BSOD screen is friendly. Are you really so stupid that you thought I was arguing about Windows 8 and not the 8.1 update the whole time? Basically all of the 8.1 update was aimed at addressing these sorts of issues for non power users and providing more options. Wait until you find out that they brought back the start button! I never said it was a major selling point. Just one thing out of many it does better. Do you seriously not know you can hit the windows key and type to search for applications? This was introduced in Vista. When did I say that the Surface isn't a tablet? My point is that even on their main touchscreen device they're still giving you a touchpad which means it's a lot less tablet oriented than you think the OS is. Obviously, I disagree, don't be surprised when they merge at some point. You can only pin a small number of programs to the Windows 7 start menu. I'm not sure what you mean by they're all just there waiting for you. Smaller space? Sure, efficient? Nope. Regardless of intent the associated effect is that it's easier to find what you want. You're not really giving much credit to your subconscious if you think you can read faster than you can process an object. Why do you think so many signs and instructions just use visuals instead? So you haven't touched a Windows 8 computer in 2 months? Also, didn't it come out in mid October? Probably due to the insane amount of things you have wrong or don't know about. You can use something all you want but that doesn't mean you actually put in the effort to learn it. You did it with Windows 7. Do it again with Windows 8. Stay away from Linux btw. Clearly adaptability is not your strong suit and you prefer familiarity even despite something else having clear advantages. Your viewpoints are pretty typical on the subject.

Safeway brand 15 bean soup. I kind of fucked it up with the simmering since my pot I was using doesn't have a lid and I had to improvise but it worked out in the end. I use veggie stock and my own spices instead of the flavor packet they include where the main ingredient is MSG. It's good poor eatin'. I also put way too much Dave's Insanity sauce in it. Which tastes like shit but does the spice thing very well. So two freak-outs later I have the world's clearest sinuses.

It's Razer. We all know you'll have to get a second mortgage.

Are you retarded? Your computer sleeps automatically by default. This was even mentioned in the thread already. Right click bottom left corner, select shut down. Wow, this is really difficult, it's too bad only geniuses can understand the complexities of this OS. You can do both. Using this logic all software should be slow as fuck because why not? We don't need speed for anything. Might as well just waste your day away letting things load. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Or just type in "not" and right click it. This is also retarded. I never said anything about non-touch tablets. I'm pointing out that even for the surface they don't give you touch as the only way to interact with it. Tablets are not the only touch devices out there and quit being ignorant of that fact. You mentioned that you don't see Android on regular computers and I was pointing out a similar product was actually being sold on computers while pointing out that for a "touch OS" Android has whatever reason has KB+M support. This is where you're flat out wrong. If you organize your programs into columns it takes less eye and mouse movement which is why I think it's more efficient. You just remember your categories and that's it. Plus, since the icons are bigger, and the mind processes images faster than text, you don't actually have to read much if at all. Way faster than slogging through a bunch of sub-menus and since you pinned everything yourself it's only the programs you actually want to see which also saves time. Anything else is just a search away. It got dropped before Windows 8 came out so they never had a huge product to push the name with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_%28design_language%29#Name_change If you have used Windows 8 then this makes you look even worse considering how many things you get flat out wrong about the OS. I doubt you've used 8.1 at all. You can use something all you want but if you don't bother to learn it on purpose that's your own damn fault. You probably don't even use jump lists, libraries, and pinned programs on Windows 7.

How is not more than that? It's insanely easy to setup, takes away any compatibility issues to worry about, and is mineral oil cooled. AFAIK no one has done anything this easy before.

You had to go and mention the color blue... Baka baka. That's probably not far off from what the actual Japanese box art will look like.

Windows 9.Blue

Well that's what you get for still reading Engadget.

By default it will not stay on if you leave it for more than 30 minutes. That's one of the things I'm referencing. You can just sleep it. Also >implying they'll even use numbers anymore

Pretty bad attention grabbing headline but the article is written well enough and points out the multiple things that could be going on here and brings in Steam as another viewpoint. @Deanb If you can memorize win + right + enter you can memorize other shortcuts. I think the issue here is that you people are even shutting down your computers which isn't really necessary at all. Boot time is objectively good for anyone and I think it's hilarious you're even arguing that. I was giving you one gaming based example since that's why we're all here. Also consider Windows Updates or anything else that requires a restart. I have no idea what you're referring to. Don't be obtuse. Then again, you know nothing about Windows 8, so I guess that's all you can be. Pin to start is still in Windows 8. What the hell are you talking about? Oh no change is bad! Get the fuck over it. Things change. How people use their computers change. How you even need to use your computer changes. Apparently you're too stupid to understand the difference between "touch oriented" and "tablet oriented." Must be a European thing. Did you not even notice that the Surface keyboards have trackpads? Didn't say they were. Never said they were touch oriented. Though there is a touchscreen Chromebook now. Apparently you've missed my point about having a restrictive OS on what is traditionally a "desktop" device. Would it blow your mind to learn that Android works with M+KB and even supports stuff like alt tabbing? Well let's see here: 1) Type to open - Works the same 2) Pinning your favorite apps - You can do this on both, you just have more room and better organization in Windows 8 3) Browsing alphabetically by folder - Still there. Major differences? Full screen, big icons, and the "columns" style organization. I don't see the relevance. It happened before the name was official. But feel free to get upset about Windows 7 being called Blackcomb or Vienna. I have to give another example because apparently you didn't understand the difference between a codename and finalized names.

Sounds awesome. Has anyone checked if Season 4 is on Netflix yet? DVD/Blu-ray came out yesterday IIRC.

Win+ D always takes you to the desktop. If you're doing something like shutting down then it doesn't really matter what you're doing while you're doing it. As for bootup time I think that's a huge issue. Especially with BF4 often I just have to restart my whole computer as shutting down Origin/Punkbuster/BF4/Firefox w/ the plugin doesn't seem to do the trick. With Windows 8 I'm back in and playing with my friends very fast. I'm not sure what "man hours" (why the need for sexist terminology?) you'd lose considering you can do many things more efficiently with Windows 8. What makes you think it is tablet oriented? Microsoft has never claimed that. It's touch-oriented. Tablets aren't anywhere near the only touch devices. And even then that's only if you're ignorant enough to not notice any of the 8.1 changes which were primarily aimed M+KB users. Also, explain Chromebooks if you don't think there's space for an Android-like OS on things besides tablets and smartphones. Hell, Chromebooks are more restrictive yet somehow they now have 20% of the market. I don't see what's so confusing about calling the start screen the start screen. What was there before? A start menu. Now it's full screen. So now you call it a start screen. Calling it "Metro" in the first place is your own damn fault. It's like people forgot that Microsoft premiered that design language with the Zune. Also, the rebranding was also very straightforward. No one calls it Metro anymore except for those ignorant of the change. Metro was only a codename to begin with. It was never officially named that. It's like being confused about why Longhorn is now called Vista.

So even after learning the correct name you continue to use the incorrect one? Do you do this out of willful ignorance? You're better than that. But either way this is incorrect. The whole entire UI is Modern themed, including the desktop. I find that it is extremely common that people who don't even know the correct terms are the luddites who dismiss Windows 8. What you're referring to is the start screen. The Modern UI persists in all aspects: It's part of the desktop, it's part of explorer, it's the taskbar, it's everywhere. Aero has (thank god) been eviscerated from the OS. To explain this in terms even simple people can understand: Modern is the theme for the UI. You could have a Modern-themed Windows 7 style start menu. Start using the correct terms for the specific UI elements (such as the start screen) you are talking about. Anyways, why wouldn't you want a future-proof system? It's not like DX11.1 is going to be ignored as we move into the next-generation.

The other companies have more reliable models than the basic stuff, too.

There is no such thing as a "metro interface" on Windows 8. Do you mean the Modern UI? I'm not sure if you've ever used it if you don't think it has a start menu. You press the windows key and the full-screen start menu appears. How else would you open applications? DX11.1 is Windows 8 only. Games like BF4 show better performance with Windows 8.1.

Due to nothing but anecdotal evidence though. You can easily find someone with the opposite experience which is why it's just better to pay for something more reliable.

Why wouldn't you want faster speeds, a better looking theme, better explorer, better task manager, faster boot time, better compatibility with modern games, better built-in AV, easier to use on a TV, faster, better looking app organization, and the power user menu?

This is really bad advice. As MaliciousH said you should go for something known for its reliability and just buy a better model.

Huh, Kotaku already had that like... almost a full day prior. http://kotaku.com/from-alienware-to-zotac-all-the-steam-machines-with-sp-1495960379 How the hell did they beat the tech site to post this? Mind you Ars layout is super nice but it's still the same info.

This is laughably incorrect. You do it from the desktop. That's all you have about it being objectively slower? That's an incredibly lame argument. Why wouldn't you want everything to be as fast as possible? This is also laughable. Why would you purposefully make Windows 8 take longer to boot up by changing the settings? It's not like you can do all of the changes that they used for the Windows 8 shutdown in Windows 7 if you want a fair comparison. It's 2014 and if you still think Windows 8 is a tablet OS then you have to admit that you are not a technologically inclined person.

50 bucks seems too low on a month to month basis. I expect $9.99/mo minimum. You're talking almost half the price of Netflix for a much more complicated (and new as in no competition) service.

Alt+F4 then enter. So difficult. Or Alt-X and select the option. Also, I don't see what PCs being slow as fuck before Vista has to do with anything now. 7 is still insanely slow compared to 8. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your slow boot speeds. If Windows 7 was fast articles like this wouldn't exist: http://lifehacker.com/5821865/top-10-ways-to-speed-up-windows-boot-time

This has to be one of the worst thread titles ever.

If that's how you shut down then this is even worse given Window 7s long start-up time.

You people actually turn off your computers instead of sleep/standby?