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Well we have DEFRA and organic labelling/production is under EU regulations. Generally no GM crops or chemical pesticides(there's a couple of exceptions in that though) and fertilisers(so use manure n such instead). The usual. And I don't buy organic, so it can't be "working on just you".

btw stuff is going down. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-10-24-lost-humanity-18-a-table-of-doritos http://botherer.org/2012/10/24/games-journalists-and-the-perception-of-corruption/ http://botherer.org/2012/10/25/an-utter-disgrace/ Worth following the various links. Oh and given the edit of the EG article Robert Florence has also since stepped down as a columns writer for EG. Also adds an addition to the whole affair when you take in mind the events of last years GMAS and the media reaction to it.

Oh there's plenty of Organic options if you've got the pennies. Nothing that clearly isn't though, the various agencies involved would be down on the store/company like a ton of bricks if incorrectly labelled.

Well most stores have the "Bags for Life" and Tesco offer Green points if you bring your own bags. Sainburies made a point of reducing the packaging in their products too. Beyond that not much. As for Gluten-free I'm not gluten intolerant so I wouldn't know. They did recently agree to pick a single labelling system though (but that's more for health levels of a food). Not yet fully formalised. Unsure if it would include marking products as gluten free though. Apples (and most fruit) just tend to be labelled with the type (As in granny smith) and price.

This normally says quite a lot about the local area. (For example we have the fancy Greggs as well as half a dozen other greggs) Oh and the [store]'s thing is likely part of the previously mentioned "company is/are".

Yeah Aldi n Lidl are pretty cheap, and local suppliers can be even cheaper still. But general supermarket stuff Asda n Tesco are the bigguns.

We also have multiple foods, and import/export food stuff. There's a chunk shown in the video. So I'm talking about food in general. As for the stores, yeah we have M&S n Waitrose n such as our high-end, but she just shopped in an ASDA which is about equivalent to..well..

Cheap food is what I mean by cheap food. Things you eat. Squash is the stuff you mix with water. I'm pretty sure squash the vegetable is American in origin anyway.

I thought US food was meant to be cheap? Also you guys don't have squash? (Mainly inferring that from her having to explain how it works) Also you guys don't put coins in..oh wait dollar notes I guess it wouldn't work You guys got the magnets set up instead then? Also she starts with a Morrisons trolley but is buying from ASDA...

And there's more media expected soon.

btw I think I've linked this in the thread before but here's a video of a regular PC user (so unlike us lot who are a tad more experienced than most) trying Windows 8. You see the problem removing the Start button has (it's worth noting that originally Windows 8 had a Start menu). He never even manages to work on anything else. And the same dude with and . and given some of the things he mentions like even knowing what a PDF is, he's not exactly a complete PC illiterate. And yeah the two other videos are much longer, but you can skip about and get the gist. He at least manages to get on the internet with those two. And yeah I'm up for leaving the Desktop is App thing behind. We all understand it is an app, just it doesn't always feel that way.

I didn't need to look anything up on the internet when Windows 7 came out. The UI was largely unchanged, minus the new additions of being able to pin things to the taskbar. The Start menu was as it had been since XP/Vista and the Aero stuff was the same as Vista, which the snap is fairly intuitive as when you go to move the Window draws a shadow of where it'll snap to. As opposed to the intuitiveness of finding the start menu in a "hot corner" and all my programs in a context menu on the thing that purports to being the Start menu-come-new OS. Anything I came across on the net was pretty much that (like the double stacking of my taskbar), as opposed to needing to actively go out on the net and research how to do simple stuff like turn off the computer. Stuff like expanding the amount of pinned bookmarks or adding the second row on the taskbar, getting access to "God Mode" etc are power user things so not being obvious is fine. Turning off a computer or accessing your programs however... As for the opinion of the "cork board" being better I'm amazed FDS is a fan given his usual distaste of people who put icons on desktop for quick access and now the entire start menu is that The Desktop runs within Metro as opposed to the other way around. Regardless of how it "feels" it is an app. The Desktop App is essentially a VM for legacy programs really, it doesn't run the rest of the OS which is the big give away. For example the Control Panel is now a Metro thing, it doesn't run within the main Desktop like yore. As for the quoted part that wasn't about the Desktop running within the "Start Menu", it's about all the other programs that Windows 8 is bringing that run within the "Start Menu". It's a bit dodgy to say on one post about folks callingthe "Desktop an App" (as noted, that's true) when FDS is saying the Metro UX is "just a start menu"(which it isn't. MS didn't spend however many years and millions in making a new Start Menu and calling it job done). Android should kill apps as and when not needed, but some apps will run constantly. For example if I have Steam and music playing and then go and start Browsing and then tweeting then facebooking then gaming the Steam and Music app won't get shut down. As for Windows, it's generally always had things run all the time until you personally close it (or the program closes itself). The Metro apps will(should) close themselves though, the Desktop legacy programs act as they've always done though. Which I guess means the tablet guys should be thankful they'll hardly ever bother with the legacy stuff much since X86 won't run on ARM.

iirc you're on Android. In which case they'll either 1. exit themselves when they're done. 2. hit the back button instead of home to exit and it closes(depends on app) or 3. hold the Home button and swipe away apps (ICS onwards) @FDS: Cos I'm not up for leaving my PC sit idling for 20 minutes or so before it'll turn off. Nor am I going to enable something that auto-shutdown my PC just because I'm not physically doing stuff with it. Not a great feature when rendering shit off. And yes you do need to shut down your PC, cos I'm not made of money to have it on constantly when it's not needed. A PC uses substantially more power than a phone, which yeah you do leave on all the time. Using the Start menu is "doing it wrong"? lolwut. MetroTwit can't run on desktop cos it uses WPF, which as I said Windows 8 threw out the window in favour of WinRT. Why do you think devs are hating Win 8? And you shouldn't need to be fishing about for alternative clients. MS shouldn't be dumping tech to force folks onto Metro. Hahah, you're classification of "power user" is someone who doesn't click on the start menu but uses the keyboard all the time cos of course keyboard works fucking fantastic for everything. And the OS shouldn't be built to require keyboard use because mouse use has been shat on because of touch. That's bad desktop OS design. It'll likely require retraining, the entire UI is different to the past 7 versions. But as I said given that Win 7 still works, and has likely been paid for already by the company, why bother upgrading n retraining? It's hardly like Microsoft shares have fallen as the lead up to Win 8 arrives for an entirely non-related reason If it was a case of making WinRT/Metro as a tablet OS and "Windows 8" as a proper desktop App then yeah it'd be a simple case of picking one or the other. but MS have crammed the two into one Frankenstein OS instead. Also what's with folks espousing the benefits of the new "Start menu"* then saying you don't have to use it? As for the Android thing, nah I've had mine for to similar points, I think it's a case of how much RAM you have. @Eleven: No one should be needing to search the internet to find programs in their "Start menu". Which is why the current folder structure is fine, everything related to a program grouped together (though Linux start menus are even better) * Seriously, you're saying up above that you say there's mixed messages like "Desktop is an app" (which it is) and then saying that the Metro UI is just like the Start Menu, Except since when have programs ran inside the "Start Menu"? Yes you can launch programs from it, but it's not a start menu. It's a bit more like Steam really, with the library and overlay n such.

The new Task Manager does sort of sort that out a bit, but that assumes people go into the Task Manager

@Ethan: Or, as mentioned, a reboot(that's more a quirk of the case, I've normally had reboot on a separate button and power button does nothing unless it's a full press). Which incidentally brings up a question: How'd you do a reboot? Or Sleep? I can't just lay my monitor flat on my desk. I'm not about to "Alt+every F key". There's nothing gained in removing a "Shutdown/Sleep/Restart/Log off/Lock" button from the OS itself. At any one time you can see about the same amount, but you have to make broad sweeping actions across the full screen to pick them, compared to picking them off the list in the bottom corner of your screen. Works great for touchscreens where you don't have the finesse and precision of a mouse but not so great for the mouse users wrist.* And dual taskbars too, I skipped on that. Other than that it's a whole bag of issues cos the OS works on you gesturing in corners and multi-monitor now gives it 8+ corners to deal with and the mouse doesn't stop at 4+ of them. You go a few pixels too far to the left and you're now on a different corner which does something different. And in some cases you do have to run those programs in Metro. For example MetroTwit, a rather popular twitter client, doesn't run in it's native mode on Windows 8(cos it relies a lot on .Net n WPF stuff, which Win 8 eschews in favour of the new WinRT) . But there is now a Metro App. Which btw is all rather funny given the point of MetroTwit was to emulate the Metro Style (though of the Zune/WinPhone 7 era, Win 8 wasn't announced it started). So you'd need the "Start" open on one screen at all times or you'd lose Metro, and then have to cycle through apps again to re-open it. I use a start button so I can open the Start menu. Bit of a silly question to ask. What is currently the Start button is now Explorer and what opens the start menu is the extreme bottom left corner. And yeah, just highlighting the silliness. Enterprise users won't want to bother with Metro and it'd cost a lot in IT support and retraining to point out the Windows of Old still exists. Thus simpler to just stick with Windows 7 and the desktop and usability that their workers know and love. * incidentally same issue with the right click menus, since context menus spring up from the mouse pointer, but in metro apps they appear at top of the screen.

On mine push = reboot and long push = shutdown(as in power off). It's there as a full override for those times where Windows (though rare these days) completely and utterly fucks up and can't be shut down properly(as in via Start menu). One of my major annoyances of phones of late is the powering down. A long-push on the powerdown is how you bring up the "shutdown" option (of course unlike PC's you're not really meant to turn your phone off that often so it doesn't need to be "right there"), but that's to open the software shutdown, meaning the only hardware override for when the phone fucks up is to remove the battery which is pretty much the equivalent of the power button on the PSU which is on the back of the PC for a reason. Turning of PC's via the hardware button instead of a proper software option in the OS is going to have the chance of frying so many PCs. And yeah I heard about the change in the final builds that stop you being able to boot right into Desktop. Which is going to really piss off their enterprise customers (who'll likely just stick with Win 7 now as they've done with XP)

If you don't use Metro you may as well just use Window 7. Which at least still has a fully functioning Start menu. Which you can pin stuff to, you only need to go rooting through your start menu with mouse or keyboard for under-used apps which will be the same with Win 8 just now it's big chunky icons in grids instead of kept neat n tidy in tree-structure list. The only "improvement" in Multi-monitor usage is that you can now put one image on one screen and a different image on another (at the moment you either get an image that makes one big panorama, or same image duplicated). The issue though is that the start menu is a full screen program which also runs within it many other programs. Which is a shame as Win 7 was quite the leap forward (minus the individual image wallpapers) as far as in-built support went. One step forward and all that. Metro is the start menu, which is something I make use of. I like making use of the button for Start too, but someone at MS decided that folks don't need a button to click and gestures and such are the future. Also given where it is I'm going to assume that also means the removal of my ability to have a stacked taskbar. I like making use of a shut down button too, and certainly don't trust having to use the actual power button on my PC case for the job (since that's an override anyway). Start menu search replacements don't run as fast as the native start search because of the native start search. It was an issue that Google Desktop came across and Google and MS got in a huge spat over it. If it's still affecting Windows 8 then I assume it's something Microsoft weren't too fussed to accommodate (Google Desktop shut down a while back now anyway). And it doesn't matter what it is to you, Desktop is an App. They should really have just made WindowsRT as their tablet OS, and made "Windows 8" as a proper successor to Windows 7 instead of the current mishmosh of desktop and tablet OS that sucks at both.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180005/Breaking_Mass_layoffs_closures_at_Zynga.php Zynga have laid off one of their studios rather abruptly.

Yeah, Trophies may have been late in coming but they're certainly much better than Achievements (Since you can get 10,000 achievements by either playing the opening segment of 100 games or acing 10. That makes for two different gamers). As for Steam I think they don't care n just put in a half hearted effort on that front.

It doesn't open a context menu in Metro Apps. I'd imagine it works as it has done for past few decades when using Desktop mode.

So a guy I follow on twitter posted this to show "look, Windows 8 is fine to use". Showing off the Start Menu button that isn't there, the right click that doesn't open the context menu, Alt+F4 to power down (you can also hit the power button too, the thing you've always been told not to do) and many other new and intuitive features Windows 8 brings. It's worth noting (since I'm well aware) that this guy does work for MS (though I think part-time cos it seems most of the time he's giving talks n such) Here's a post I'm amazed no one has posted, looking at where Windows could go and what it could mean for gaming based on the last 20 years of Windows: http://mollyrocket.c...tream_0004.html http://www.theverge....indows-8-review - And The Verge review. (Which notes the OS also comes with a tutorial video when you load it up). A lot of issues taken up with how it interacts with kb/m users, whcih is pretty much my impressions from using it. It'd be a great OS if you're using it on a tablet/touchscreen PC. But until they come out it means 99% of the Windows base is on kb/m powered laptops n desktops. Shame multi-monitors is still an issue in Win 8. I'm just annoyed by how overall shit it is cos there's some nice stuff in it like new task manager and copy dialog, and the Charms seem like Intents and I lurve Intents. And regardless of whether or not you're liking the OS up to now, it's always worth holding out for the Service Pack.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/23/square-enix-becomes-first-publicly-confirmed-unreal-engine-4-lic/ Square are first studio confirmed for UE4. Likely for use with Eidos stuff.