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Maybe a higher power intervened? Now the kid get's to tell his school mates ME3 tried to kill him instead of other depressing ME3 revelations Maybe his mum will make him some cupcakes while he get's better...

They all do. It's a requirement of the scheme. This probably should have been linked and read ages ago by all parties http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics And yeah, yante we get it. You think it's a nothingness that doesn't fit in any currently existing word. Everyone else thinks otherwise (and nobody has said it's a charitable donation). Let's move on. Nudge nudge. ;)

Yeah I'm aware it's more than just games. But it's a part of Kickstarter folks are more specifically aware of, so was a good springboard to get the groundwork down before moving onto more complex topics.

Isn't that illegal?

As I said, any developer that blocks it is probably going to see some form of backlash. It's much akin to delaying (or just not having) review copies of your game, it's normally seen as a bad sign for your game. There's also still nothing stopping you just taking photos and throwing them up on Twitter the old fashioned way.

Let's break this down (with your defintions): A )Donation: A payment upon where you expect nothing in return. Donations like to a forum, where you expect nothing in return except continued running of said forum, private chat and member titles? Or a donation to comic relief where you expect nothing in return except a nose (I don't know of many US charities for examples here) B) Investment A payment where you at least hope to get something in return Well yeah. We've already covered this one before. We hope to get the reward. Not always going to happen though. We're not inventing a middle ground, you're inventing strict black and white definitions. As I've already told you, it's crowd sourcing. It's a bit of everything.

Well I guess it's a case of seeing how (and if) it's done, but as it currently stands trophy updates are done through one service, and posting images tends to be through services like Twitpic/imgur/yfrog etc. So filtering them out separately is rather simple. And then there's probably a friend feed of sorts on the console, hopefully on par with Steams blotter. God I hope next-gen consoles get community features on-par with Steam.

As ben said: I don't want to encourage people making remakes but damn this looks cool

http://pressxordie.com/2012/02/23/the-surprise-killer-feature-of-the-vita/ Yes. Filter it out. People have Raptr auto-tweeting posting their days gaming stats. I don't see jack squat of it after the first tweet/status pops up. Same with.... foursquare, Giant Bomb, Youtube, Tweekly.fm, WhatPulse, Yelp, and ZiGGURAT. (And on facebook all the Farmville kinda stuff, as well as the aforementioned Raptr, oh and Horoscope stuff too)

I didn't say human on human was blooodless. If anything I said the opposite. I didn't say drones are free and infinitely replaceable either. They are cheap and repairable though. A bullet passes through the CPU of a drone, you replace the parts weld on a new front plate and send it back out. A bullet passes through the CPU of a human soldier and it's a lot harder to fix. A solider also needs training, a drone just requires manufacturer in a factory and it's done.

Except, by your very link, they were taken to court over money TakeTwo paid to Infogrammes for the publishing rights. It's not money that TakeTwo paid to 3DRealms for developing the game. It is not money 3DRealms had, so it's not money 3D Realms wasted. Because, and I will repeat this real slowly, 3D Realms. Spent. Their. Own. Money. Also you've made it quite clear by now you only like to donate to registered charities and buy games that have already been made. Can we move on to another topic or query you have with crowdsourcing cos this horse is so beaten now I don't think we can even make a single pritt stick from it. edit: You're mostly using the first one. We're using the second. The joy of the english language, a lot of words have more than one meaning. Here's a meaning of another multiple-meaning word:

No it wasn't. They wasted....their own money. Not everyone's money. Not publishers money. They wasted their own money. From Duke Nukem 3D and other previous projects. You honestly believe that the project would have gone on for 15 years if it was a publisher funding they game? No it wouldn't. Because it was a 3D realms funded and developed game. No we don't consider it a charity. It is a donation though. ThursdayNext and yourself are the ones comparing it to investment.

These are great examples of the whole "why going through a publisher isn't always a great idea". (Throw the new syndicate on the pile too). Quite often people just want more of the same (something Nintendo learned long ago) and that does well enough. Whereas publishers seems to have this idea of "well selling genre" + "well selling franchise" = mega bucks. Doesn't always work out that way. In fact more often than not it doesn't work out that way. Most of the high profile kickstarters we've had have been sequels to genres/types of games long since lost. Where the hell have any of us said that? The only person attempting to take a moral high ground here is you with the whole "worthy cause" stuff you started with on the second post. Well order something off Amazon then. No one is stopping you. I've already pointed out those that wish to donate to "worthy causes" or invest in billion dollar companies or just buy existing games....you can! Actually DNF was developed with $20million of Broussards own cash. At most it cost TakeTwo the cost of polishing the game up and the game sold rather well, despite critics bashing it. (This is your second cruddy example btw)

Just to get back a bit but you don't "believe in science". That's not how it works.

Not having it both ways, just not having it in the extremely specific definitions you have. It falls into neither an investment, as you'd get with investing in stocks, nor is it a donation as you'd have with Red Cross. However you're not purchasing a product, you're not pre-ordering a product, or any of that stuff. What you are doing is, donating to a project, not with a guarantee of return (as you would a purchase) but at the very least an expectation of a return(as you would with stocks), while also investing in an idea. (much more in line with the "investing in our sons future" kind of investing than "I'm investing in Enron" kind of investing). Errm yeah. Please tell me that we've gotten onto page two of this discussion and you actually have a basic understanding of what Kickstarter is and does. Suing the kickstarters that get away isn't really worth it at all. They're small so you'll likely have only paid a small amount anyway. No more loss than betting on the lotto once a week. Your example of a "new IP that doesn't sell" is a game that sold 2million copies? Not really much of a great example. What it didn't do is sell the 3 million EA actually wanted, therefore it's a "failure". That is why many of these projects won't be funded by the likes of EA. Stuff like Wasteland 2 isn't going to be the next Call of Duty. It's not going to sell gang busters. Thus EA and co want nothing to do with it and it's ilk. But there's 40,000 people that do want it, and while one person alone can't easily raise $900K, well several thousand people together can.

Well durr

Which is why drones scare me. Video games have shown just how much death can be caused when you have soldiers that don't die, on their surrogates do. Which is going to be hell on the army that is made of flesh n blood.

You know if you don't have a FB or Twitter account it can't tweet right? And both of them require giving said app permission to do that anyway. Though personally I think it's great. I kinda like folks making screencaps and videos and such and sharing them. Something I hope is possible with next-gen consoles. At the very least it'll stop the whole "here's a fuzzy off-kilter photo of my TV, and no I didn't compensate for the refresh rate" stuff.

1. What if they take the money and run? Well you're SOL, however you have their name, social details, and Kickstarter don't exactly rule out you taking legal action: However it's worth noting that it's kind of on your head as a backer to be looking into these guys. Quick google search and hey presto: http://en.wikipedia....ine_Productions http://www.doublefine.com/ You've got some research on the kickstarter guys. Google not bringing anything up, well Kickstarter lets you ask the project dudes questions if you have any queries. Most of the time they should have at least something to show. Some kind of portfolio of work, a prototype or similar in order to show that they are able to make this. If for example I was to make a Kickstarter for this awesome idea for my epic RPG set in a stone for stone likeness of North Yorkshire you'd have jack all to go on cos I haven't the foggiest of where to start. So most likely your'e not going to be backing me. But if I've got like 20 years of making this kind of stuff, then you know I can rather competently get to work on doing this. 2. Why will people pay $250 for horse armour but bitch if EA was to charge a tenth of that Well this is answered threefold: 1. They're not paying $250 for horse armour, they're paying $250 for a game/product that most otherwise wouldn't exist because EA & Co don't see it as profitable, unlike their $25 horse armour. 2. $250 is a hell of a lot cheaper to get said game made than the $2.5billion shares you'd need for a controlling stake in EA in order to get the game made. 3. Yeah there's a warm fuzzy feeling involved. EA have general goodwill and fuzz feelings in the negatives, and the little guy bringing back the old style of games guys fondly remember, rather than butchering them up, comes with spades of warm fuzzy feelings. 3. $2million!!! This is like the ones with guys that can easily back up that they can do the work, and show such a high want of that project, unavailable in today's modern market. They're also such high profile guys that just walking off with that $2million isn't going to go well for them. Most projects are only a few grand, much smaller scale. A few grand going walkies isn't as much a big a deal, nor is it much that folks could really do much with. 4. What if they go to a publisher with the game? Well they go to a publisher with the game. It's a kickstarter, not a be all and end all. There's no "well you made your $4k to start the project, you're banned from making a penny more". That's just a stupid suggestion. 5. Why not just invest You know donating to kickstarter, or the actual existence of it, doesn't preclude the possibility of a bit of good old fashioned investing right? Such as in nice and stable firms like Enron. The internationally expanding GAME Group. Petrol and matches. You spend $15, maybe get a game. Or spend $15 and get a game. Depends which games you're in to. As for the whole donating to a more worthwhile cause, I linked this on twitter other day but for a different reason. I think this segment is relevant: You need to get out the shade of EA once in a while I think. What are you currently commenting on? Also for all this talk of worthwhile causes, what makes me any more worthwhile than a pressure sensitive iPad stylus? What's to say I don't just up and leave with the cash? It's crowd-sourcing. It's the ideas the guys at Dragons Den don't think is worth their money, but you'd still like it. Places like Kickstarter n Indiegogo let you fund it and make it a reality. Don't care for the idea? Don't fund it. Like the idea? Throw a few quid their way. These are things that in ye olde fashioned way would require massive corporations, that think you want an FPS, or Uncle Moneybags, to fund. But with the Power of the InternetTM, you, a single person with a few quid in the sofa, tied with the power of a few other thousand people with money in the sofa, can fund this project and make it a reality. I'm kinda confused why it's such a hard to understand concept actually. edit: I should mention in writing this I think there was like 12 or so posts made. I've tried to respond as more stuff got added but I may have skipped on some things.

Yeah I'm sure I've already said this before but I'm calling em bunk. 4K is pretty much pointless. At least when the HD consoles came out (And they weren't really even HD, only the 2D games tend to be hitting 1080p, most 3D higher-end games hover around the 720p mark), there was a fair few folks with HDTVs. But folks with 4K TVs? Cinemas and folks with personal cinemas in the left wing of their mansion. 4K is exceedingly niche and I don't see it picking up in the next few years. Folks are still moving on to HDTVs. 1080p makes much more sense, able to easily hit it, support most of the TVs out already, and means 3D should be piss easy (which hitting 3DTVs is much more likely than aiming for 4K TVs, at least 3DTVs are out n about and building a userbase) Just as an example of the huge increase it'd be calling for. Last gen was SD, so pumping out a comfortable 0.3megapixel. This gen as mentioned hovers around 720p, just shy of 1megapixel. 4K is just shy of 9megapixels. (1080p is 2megapixels, with 3D being twice that). Another issue is Sony are still selling Blu-Rays, a film format that caps out at 1080p. That'd look terrible on 4K screens. As bad as SD does on a HD screen now. As for the "no used games" thing we already discussed that many times already. Oh n then the X64 CPU which...well that's a PC CPU. It'd be a bit of a drop from their current 7-core Cell BB beast in the PS3. Especially with rumours it's an AMD CPU. They're not exactly...well AMD CPUs are shit and haven't really been that great since the Athalon X2. Then again I could have saved some time and said: It's a rumour from Kotaku. The guys that had a photo from the FCC of a 3DS and still messed up how it would look and the features it had. I've a feeling they just threw some buzzwords round the office that sounded impressive like "4K" and "X64" before putting much thought into what'd mean.

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Yeah it carries both, but if your laptop is only outputting video that's all it'll carry to your TV. I think you have to fiddle about to get a GPU HDMI-out to also carry a audio signal as well, most of the time you just get a double-ended 3.5mm jack to hook up the TV n PC for sound.