TheMightyEthan

I prefer physical things just because I have more sense of ownership, it's not going to just evaporate because a server for turned off.

I'll have to check it out, I'm always on the lookout for new good space sci-fi.

I think there's a way to do it if you target them and bring up the little info menu thing. The button for me is L1, but I'm not using the default control scheme (maybe it's R1 by default?). *Edit* - You can also invite friends from within the pause menu, or when in orbit by pressing .

Yeah, it's certainly possible for DLC to be done really terribly, but to write off the entire category is just ridiculous and arbitrary.

PS4 and PS3 keys are separate.

Never mind, it's America's only so Hot Heart couldn't take it. Anyone else want it?

PS3's taken.

Sony e-mailed me another PS4 code and a PS3 code for the Destiny beta last night. I gave the PS4 code to staySICK, anyone who wants the PS3 code send me a private message.

Since I already played Liberation on Vita I'm waiting for it to get down to $5 or less on PC.

I've got an extra Beta code, Sony e-mailed it to me last night. Want it?

Comparing the begging of this gen to the middle of last been doesn't make any goddamn sense. You keep saying you want to do that, but doing so is stupid and meaningless.

I was responding to your claims that this console cycle is failing. I've demonstrated it is doing better than the previous one at the same point in its lifetime. You have not provided any solid data to back up a single one of your claims, despite numerous statements that your data is irrefutable. I provide a detailed analysis of data to support my point, but you say I'm looking at the wrong data, and then again provide nothing but generalizations that you're right. Now who's ignoring the hard data because you find it inconvenient? I only threw in that last thing as an afterthought in response to the comment you posted while I was doing my analysis. I'm not going to put in any more work refuting your ridiculous claims until you actually provide some data to back them up.

I agree snapshots are a bad comparison, which is why after writing that I made these charts (again, all USA data to get rid of noise caused by different launch dates throughout the world): Sales by weeks-after-launch: Same chart but on a 4-week moving average to lessen the noise: Total sales to date, by weeks-after-launch: As the data clearly shows, this console generation is starting out much more strongly than the previous one, in every reasonable measure. The WiiU is the only exception, and even then its performance is comparable to the PS3. And again I'm only counting data from the US, so there's no adjustments needed for different numbers of markets or anything like that. There is nothing to suggest that the console market is anything but booming. The last 5 years is a bad measurement, because you're looking at the second half of a console generation, where they've already largely reached market saturation. If you look at the last 10 years you'll see that sales increase for the first several years, plateau, and then start to fall off. We're at the beginning, where sales are normally low. *Edit* - Basically I'm saying that due to the console system the industry is inherently cyclical, so you're looking at the down half of a cycle and extrapolating it to say it's going to continue down, which is just not reasonable. *Edit 2* - Here's a screenshot of the last 10 years if you're interested in better data:

I made a mistake: that's actually 7.5 months after launch for each of them, not 6.5. The numbers are all right, it's 7.5 for all of them, I just can't count months.

I'm going to throw out some numbers (USA only because the staggered launches makes wordwide numbers extremely difficult to compare): Week ending July 5, 2014 (roughly 6.5 mos after PS4/Xbone launches): Xbox One: 39,025 PS4: 38,044 July 6, 2013 (6.5 mos after WiiU launch): Wii U: 7,707 July 7, 2007 (6.5 mos after PS3/Wii launch): PS3: 20,834 Wii: 87,288 July 8, 2006 (6.5 mos after Xbox 360 launch): Xbox 360: 48,289 Which of these things are not like the other, amirite? Obviously both the Wii and the Wii U are outliers, in opposite directions. The PS3 had a rough start but was by no means a failure overall, and yet 6.5 months after launch it was selling half of what PS4/Xbone currently are. PS4 and Xbone aren't doing as well as the 360, but they're definitely in the comfortable range. Source for all numbers is VGChartz, which I have heard plenty of complaining about but that you said in a previous post you thought was accurate for retail hardware, so there we go.

Haha, you'd have to drive a good two miles, AT LEAST, to get to the nearest farm!

I wasn't surprised about the MP being separate, I was just irritated that in the beta there was no way to skip the story parts, since I don't want that spoiled at all. And yeah, they sync levels, so while you still have your personal gear it does control for level's effect on stats.

That was actually the first time I've ever had a problem with a seller on Amazon. And yeah, considering the closest used game store is an hour drive away buying online is easily worth the convenience. Also Gamestop has used copies listed for $55, so there's that...

Sony's problems aren't related to video games, it's the whole rest of the company that's having problems. THQ's decline was gradual, not some sudden collapse, everyone saw it coming miles away. Studio/publisher closures have been routine for at least the last 10 years (the length of time I've been following that kind of industry news). Nintendo execs took a price cut because they made fucking idiotic decisions regarding the Wii U, which were obviously stupid to everyone ahead of time. The industry's volatile, there's a lot of churn, always has been, and isn't crashing now any more than it was 10 years ago. What I need to be convinced it's a collapse is something to show this time is any different than it was for previous console cycles.

Ubisoft have already been heard complaining about the lack of power. The PS4 is already outperformed by a mid-range gaming PC. I honestly don't see how these consoles will compete in say 3 years when more intensive games are being designed. More intensive games just won't be designed, or at least not many of them, the same way games have been held back for the last several years by the PS360. Devs may grumble about it, but they're not going to move to PC in droves because PC games just can't support the same kinds of numbers that consoles do. I think the proof of this is that PS360 games are still being put out, even though they're far more underpowered than PS4/Xbone, because there are enough users to justify it. I also think you're discounting the optimizations possible one a console where everyone has the exact same hardware. Early games always look worse and perform worse than later games, because the devs haven't yet figured out how to eek out every last little bit of performance. The superior potential for optimization is what allows consoles to far outperform PC's with similar on-paper performance specs. *Edit* - I do agree that it's kind of baffling why companies continue to almost exclusively chase the huge blockbusters when there's only room for so many of those and if you try and fail it can bankrupt the company. I'm just hoping the industry will figure that out eventually.

One company collapsing != a crash. There's a lot of churn in the industry, and we're definitely undergoing a major shift in the way it's structured, but that doesn't mean it's a crash. A crash is a sudden bottom falling out, not a gradual decline.

I don't think you'll find many who disagree that game budgets need to come down, but the publishers could figure that out prior to it causing a collapse. More, smaller bets can (in theory) yield similar profits to a few huge bets, and you don't risk failure of the company due to any one product.

Scratch that, Amazon seller flaked out on me. Aaaand ordered it again from a different seller, this one with a well-established positive rating (the previous seller had never sold anything on Amazon before). It was even $0.01 cheaper! Yay!