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Except this is not what's happening, apparently. Enough people have been confused and asking what the target was to accomplish their goal. The goal being a new ending, and the target being number of contributions to help the cause. Enough people are doing this for it to become a concern. So they noticed. It's still not suggesting that the charity itself is making folks dislike the ending. If a few folks are stupid enough not to see it's a charity and not a kick-starter that's no reason to then deny everyone else from donating to your charity. The goal of the group is to get a new ending yes, but the charity isn't at all related to that. The charity was chosen as a positive focus of the group. I agree 100%. But this is irrelevant. Hell, there may actually be a pedophile who did donate to Child's Play in support of RME. The comparison should be: A group of pedos banded together. They are requesting that their favorite hobby be legalized (political agenda). They have a tumblr page filled with material - arguments, reasons, scientific proof(!!!) that support their favorite hobby. On the side, they have a link for you to donate to Child's Play. A group of gamers banded together. They felt deeply hurt about the ending of their favorite video game, Mass Effect 3, and are requesting Bioware to change the ending. They have a tumblr page filled with material - tweets from fans, list of plotholes, a collection of undisputable proof that prove the ending of mass effect completely destroyed the whole series for them, hell it made them sad and bitter and angry and hurt for weeks. On the side, they have a link for you to donate to Child's Play. In both scenarios, charity is in no way a requirement to join or support the movement, only shown as a positive thing on the side. However, I would doubt that you, being the one who runs child's play, would allow your charity to be seen and accept donations from that first website. It is exactly the same thing. However, the current issue's significance, is significantly reduced because we are all talking about a fucking video game. The first website would fall under their "political issues" though. That's one of the issues that I take with this, they don't want the paedophile group, so they're going after the ME3 group to make an example of. It's just weird and nonsensical. Just to get totally political, it's the kinda reasoning that goes: Why allow gay marriage, next folks will want to marry their pigs. As you said, it's a video game. It's not as they've said they're opposed to; a political issue. It's certainly an issue now, something it wasn't before. It'll probably make folks rethink using CPC as their charity of choice for other events, especially with how broad and sweeping they're being in their reasoning's for refusing to accept further donations thru RME. For example plenty of folks use CPC as charity of choice when doing marathon streams, but now it's up in the air if their new policy means that'll be scuppered. Given that it's penny arcade's charity and they've been a bit opposing to the aims of RME I've a feeling a fair few might move their donations over to the reading charity. It will be hard for many to not see the connection between PA/PAR being opposed to the aims of RME and then PA-owned CPC pulling out once Bioware make their announcements with regards to tweaking the ending. As Tycho said "they basically won". It does suck for the hospitals caught in the crossfire but it was CPCs choice to decide to create new policy around the matter and refuse to accept donations thru RME. I think folks were perfectly fine with their cash going to CPC, a pretty strong and well known gaming-orientated charity, back when all they did was act as a neutral charity; i.e take peoples donations. I think the ones that take it out from pure malice will be few and far between. I think the majority that doe take it out will be showing their disappointment with CPCs sudden policy creation, and I see them putting that donation into the reading charity. You'd have to be a pessemist not to be aware of gamers massive charitable hearts. @SL: I think you see charity a bit different to other folks if you think it's emotional blackmail In fact that's a rather disturbing viewpoint of why folks give to charity Well this is the thing, most places that have charity drives it's never on the claim, or even the thought, that the charity is endorsing those doing the charity drive. BHF don't endorse tesco, despite the staff collecting for them. Comic Relief aren't endorsing any schools despite many schools fund raising for them. This is actually the first time I've seen it suggested that by people picking out a charity to donate to that this means that the charity is kinda picking them.

The RME movement falls in either of the two, depending on how you view the movement. And it does further the agenda. Having Child's Play's name attached to RME would entice more people to come join, since they'd be feeling charitable in addition to being the saviours of the ME universe. You said: They withdrew support, giving exactly why, and you say they chose sides? While doing "nothing", but helping the RME cause get visibility/appeal and you say they haven't taken any side? I would say having a direct link to RME would make more people think they ARE on someone's side. If they didn't stop it now, and in the future they declined to support a similar movement, then that would be worse and would actually be a valid complaint of "choosing sides". You have to start somewhere. Too bad for RME that it has to be RME. Tycho said he supported the cause though. Right before the bit you bolded It's why he said when, as in future tense. This is currently not something they can't get behind nor is it leveraging for weird bullshit. They're pretty much using it as an example of a "what we'll do when that actually happens". You really think folks will decide to dislike the ME3 ending because this group is advocating giving to charity? I'd say it's the ending itself that's swaying folks in to the various camps. This camp is just trying to show it's not a negative thing but rather positive, by picking the most popular gaming charity out there to donate to. They could have chosen not too and gotten as much attention, or chosen any other charity. Only reason CFC is now directly leading to more attention is due to them pulling out. You know charity is pretty much one way right? If say... a paedophile was to put some cash towards Children in Need doesn't mean then that Children in Need supports paedophiles, it means paedophiles support Children in Need. Now say some Catholic school was to raise money for Children in Need, but then they refused to accept the donations, well they've now spoken out against this school. It's now an active two way street than the passive fund acceptance of before. If CPC had gone out of their way to join up with RME, or had channelled their funds into RME (highly unlikely as CPC supports hospitals) then that would be picking a side and showing direct support. Until then they were just a charity. People choose the charity, the charity doesn't choose the people. Also HIB is percentage based. Not a fixed percentage, unless you choose one of the presets mind, but the percentage is definitely there. edit: Though HIB might not be the least of their sale-based worries: http://www.ragequitrelief.com/ (At least HIB is games)

The Altor? I assume from the context we mean The metacrisis Doctor? (aka the clone). It certainly does leave the door open. The Doctors Daughter was meant to stay dead. Moffat re-wrote it so she comes regenerates, Just need to fix the binary binary binary. (Bonus is you get Wilf later on) Oh man, if you've done Season 4 you've met River Song. There's a plot arc and a half. (Though the upcoming Season 7 plot arc was started back in Season 2) It's a treat cos you can get to the end of Season 6 then go back to Silence in the Library again and pieces slot together. Also feel more sad at the end since you've expanded from 2 episodes of knowing her to two seasons.

Problem now is they have pretty much now taken a side, being an arm of Penny Arcade isn't really helping matters either. When they had said nothing, that's when they were neutral. They were neither advocating or bashing the movement. But now they've withdrawn their support as the charity of choice of the group then they've cast in their lot, whether then intended to or not. I'm not really even sure if it's furthering the agenda, I'd have said it was the other way around. The agenda was already there and growing. The organisers just funnelled that passion into the Child's Play charity, raising an impressive $80K in the process. Though of course the withdrawal of Child's Play from accepting donations from the group does mean that coverage on this is going to blow up. It really was one of those situations where it was better to say nothing at all. The group was generating pretty impressive amounts of funding and they're doing anything illegal, destructive, political or unethical in raising these funds. There's now an official post on Penny Arcade, pretty much repeating the reddit post. Though with a weird addition in that: And yet Child's Play is one of the primary charities of Humble Indie Bundle and has been for some years now without incident. As for the rest of the post, it seems they're happy with the funds raised, and recognise it's a group of passionate gamers, but a lot of it is still feeling like it's making an example of them. Both Jamie's and Tycho's posts have been "well if we let this one run, well what if...". (As for having folks request their money back... their dude is actively encouraging it on Reddit so maybe if that's a problem they should tell the guy to stop saying that?)

We talking about CPC refusing to be associated with these guys, or the potential change of the ending itself? Cos It has been done before. Though the Fallout 3 issue was 4 years ago, I guess dull in the mind now, and Portal was just changed pretty much "just cos", no fan pressure or ruckus like there is now. Me3 is just "big" cos it's a current topic.

No, the FTC filing was by 'El_Spiko'. "Retake Mass Effect" opposed it.

So that "Retake Mass Effect" thing right? The one that was raising money for Childs Play (that Penny Arcade charity) while creating a unified voice for those displeased with how the series ended. Well Childs Play decided they don't want to be associated with the fund raiser. Cos as they responded: "if someone took a hotly debated political issue and said "Donate to Child's Play to support [insert issue here]", it could cause some very serious problems for us." Kinda forgetting that "Retake Mass Effect" isn't a political issue. I mean it's about games, childs play is about games, penny arcade is about games, but they now don't want to be associated with it any more? There's a reason why folks will be thinking something is going on. There's been plenty of other Childs Play fundriasers, why suddenly decide to make an example out of this one? Folks have moved on to Nathan Fillions charity "Kids need to Read" instead. Kinda sucks for the kids that get support through CPC but they don't get to decide who is and isn't allowed to raise money for them. But woot for Fillion & Co I guess. There's a reason folks love him.

Yeah it was a big thing about her character and why she became a Justicar. (If she only had one daughter as an Ardat Yakshi she'd have gotten away with being Justibike, but more daughters means you need more seats)

Well would folks maybe want to have it broken down a bit first then? Maybe by Genre? By platform? etc?

So how many to throw in a bracket? Then I guess I'll list some.

Well as I said I'd go off the best games of TAY thing from earlier. Start from number one and work backwards. Thing is 30+years makes for a lot of franchises. I bet Nintendo alone could fill up a bracket of their own.

Kinda goes back to the days of expansion packs. If you've got something worthwhile then it doesn't matter if it's a few months or a year after initial release. Also if you make your game more repayable instead of a one off 10hr adventure (And that's being generous these days) then it also increases the chances folks will still be around for it. IF you can have breakfast, start the game, and watch the credits before putting dinner in the oven the game has a fundamental flaw DLC can't really fix.

You mentioned this before, can you elaborate on what happened? It doesn't ring any bells with me.

Ultimately the way you're doing it, may as well go with best franchise.

You mentioned this before, can you elaborate on what happened? It doesn't ring any bells with me.

Javik is very much on the disc. Eden Prime, not so much. (We covered this a while back in the ME3 thread. I even took him for a test run)

http://www.hejibits.com/comics/pictoral-pilgrimage/

So there's already massive bias introduced before the brackets are even made then? edit: Just actually looked at the site. It's invite only at the moment. Maybe not the best thing since afaik none of us have invites.

(I'd fix it myself as I normally do, but "asimpsons.jpg" leaves little to go on)

http://forum.pressxordie.com/index.php?showtopic=1130 I guess I'd suggest this as a starting point.

Most day-one DLC is. Which given the topic at hand is Javik, the dude from the ME3 day-one DLC, who is on the disc, it's why I'm bringing up on-disc DLC. And no one has said they're not working right up to release, it's the "they're not making the DLC just before release" that's the dispute here. And a fair chunk of patches are more than likely made before it's even gone to certification. Being able to tell sony "oh well we already have patch 1.1 to fix the terrible frame rate ready to fire out once the game launches" would be how you get a game with the issues Skyrim had out of certification and onto the PS3. (Though trying to find the article where they said they knew before launch there was an issue but thought they had it fixed with a patch waiting in the wings is proving to be pushing my google-fu to it's limits)

I know we're talking content(which so is the capcom-esque palette swap stuff). I'm sure I've already pointed out the silliness of the idea of separate teams for making DLC. A team working post-gold isn't going to magically have the DLC, or chunks of the DLC, on the disc since that disc is being printed as they're theoretically making the DLC that's going on the disc. Please tell me with the second comment you're not suggesting they charge for patches.

But the schedules have the DLC ready for launch, so how is that not content that wouldn't make it in the game otherwise? The only reason the content isn't in the game is because the developer/publisher chose to not include it. Not because they didn't have the time to put it all in.