Yantelope

So when do you get access if you have MOH LE on xbox? Just got my code, looks like I'm stuck playing the beta on Xbox. Oh well...

This is just the terms I'd been hearing in the game news world. It's all a bit silly to begin with.

I thought that too. No, It's CS1.6-2

hmmm... may have to buy this because it's MGS. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/risk-metal-gear-solid-sneaking-out-sometime-soon/

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/metacritic-finds-bans-group-of-users-unfairly-scoring-games/3688/

I thought Hamburgers were named after hamburg germany where they originated. Also nauseous is not nauseated. People say nauseous all the time when they mean nauseated.

Keep in mind that even after it's officially announced you'll have to wait for another 4 years.

I think your AAA games are your Mass Effects, Oblivions, those sorts of games that are huge among gamers but never really break out to the general public. AAAA games seem to make it into the core of pop culture. Pretty much everyone knows what Halo and GTA are but nobody really knows what Oblivion is outside of gamers.

Yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4A_Games Really though I think there's a difference between High quality, traditional "AAA" games and what people now call AAAA games and that's basically the 5-6 million seller mark which is extremely rare.

@MasterDex: I think we may be simply disagreeing now about what is relevant to each of us in a review. I don't care as much about the features you're describing to be bare minimum but that's just preference. Also, maybe we're saying the same thing but in a different way. Yes there's a group of angry people and that may or may not matter. A group of angry reviews tells us only just that, there's a group of angry people. I don't think you can extrapolate that to anything more or less than just that.

We had a topic about it here: http://forum.pressxordie.com/index.php?showtopic=664&hl=matchmaking&fromsearch=1

Yeah, Activision is milking that cow dry which accounts for a lot of those points. Also, if you're a AAAA game like GTA, Halo, MW or GOW you can rerelease the same game with very minor improvement and your reviews don't see the novelty factor drop like they do with other games. See Bioshock 2 vs. Bioshock.

I called them PC Elitists because of all the comments themselves. Go read them. "COD is supposed to be a PC game." "The WORST dealbreaker IMO is the maps are Clearly MADE for a console NOT PC!" "As is becoming the trend, PC games are no longer developed with PC players in mind." Again, I never said it's wrong to complain. I said it's wrong to assume that the complainers represent a majority. Trying to make that part clear there. The point of that adage "There's an old business saying that a happy customer might tell 3 people about your business but an unhappy customer will tell 10." is that you want to do everything in your power to prevent unhappy customers because bad word of mouth is very bad. The reason why I brought it up though is simply that people are more likely to complain than to praise. I don't see anyone arguing with me on this point but you're still somehow trying to say that the complainers represent the majority. To be fair, a lot of those reviews do comment on the buggy mess that the Black Ops PC release was and I'm all for that. I agree about weighing the validity of the complaints and the quotes above represent invalid complaints based of some stupid PC bias people have invented in their heads. If the release doesn't work and it's not being fixed then fine, give it a bad review. Just drop this stupid crap about how COD is supposed to be a PC game and dedicated servers are the only way to go. Some people don't like dedicated servers. I'm one of them.

We need a TVTropes thread. I'm lost for the day too now...

Mostly what Ethan said.

I have on occasion looked at water in real life (like on a lake or whatever) and thought it looked fake. That's what makes it so hard to make water look good in games. If even real water doesn't look real, how the hell are you supposed to make fake water look real? I was just talking to my friend about this. He was going on and on about how fake the missiles looked in X-Men and I was saying what you just said, that people are starting to complain that real things look fake because the fakes look so good. A great example of this was the Halo trailer where everyone said "those kids look so fake!" except that they were actually real kids.

Are you just deliberately baiting me?

I just don't see user scores as a place to waive the red flag. Usually that stuff has already been reported on repeatedly by the gaming press and in most publication's reviews. Again, you're still only talking about a form of activism. It doesn't make user review scores representative of the general public's opinion. Most everyone I know loves MW2. You'll notice there are only 693 reviews of MW2 on amazon. That's a pretty small sample size and pretty easy to manipulate with a few angry gamers. As far as negative criticism goes. Black Ops had dedicated servers and still got review spammed a bit by PC elitists. http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Black-Ops-Pc/product-reviews/B003JVF728/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

I think this is where I disagree. I think the user scores represent the feelings of a vocal minority. There's an old business saying that a happy customer might tell 3 people about your business but an unhappy customer will tell 10. It's like that with review scores. The pissed of people flock to spam a game with 0's and 1's whereas the generally happy people don't bother to go back and give a game a 7 or an 8. It's a revenge motive. People are angry and they intend to take revenge on the publisher for removing LAN support by spamming the reviews. I guess that's their prerogative but it doesn't make reviews helpful or meaningful and it definitely doesn't make a review a "consensus of gamers". One other minor point is that once companies do respond to the negative criticism customers hardly ever reciprocate by removing those negative reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/product-reviews/B000FKBCX4/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

ITT: Ethan gloats over his newfound wealth.

HALO SUCKS!